motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Snoslinger said: Ummm no, but nice try. It’s be much easier for you to practice what you preach. You could work for a nonprofit, you could start your own business and pay everyone the same, you could give up the things our capitalistic society has provided, etc. those things are much easier, and more logical, than me going completely anti fossil fuels. [Derp]"Why don't you operate your business outside the dominant global economic system???"[/derp] 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: Formal Education I never graduated college and do pretty well.....of course we all know a formal education doesnt really mean a whole lot. I would bet anything moto and I would rank in the top 5% of the forum in terms of intelligence. Which isnt really saying all that much. I am not offended by ideas that challenge all the dogma I was jammed full of. Apparently that is too much for red white and blue hairs like yourself to handle. Capitalism has been around for .001% of human history, but it's the only system that 'works' and we have to keep doing it forever and ever or we will all die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Lotta derpers in here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 Reactionary old ladies: "Too many kids waste their money and time pursuing higher education" Also reactionary old ladies "You aren't allowed an opinion unless you have a formal education" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 20, 2018 12 hours ago, motonoggin said: [Derp] you think climate change is real but you still use fossil fuels[/derp] How is it an invalid statement or comparison? Do you or do you not have a better life because of profits earned from you labor? What % of people in this country have a nice express cruiser? How many people do you share that out with? I find it amusing that people actually think the world would be a better place under a Marxist system. Hell I venture a guess that if man from its beginnings used a true "communism" system as you want we would be at a technology level of the mid to late 1800's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: How is it an invalid statement or comparison? Do you or do you not have a better life because of profits earned from you labor? What % of people in this country have a nice express cruiser? How many people do you share that out with? I find it amusing that people actually think the world would be a better place under a Marxist system. Hell I venture a guess that if man from its beginnings used a true "communism" system as you want we would be at a technology level of the mid to late 1800's. The reality is even a theoretically "perfect system" has the potential to be corrupted and abused and that is what has happened to ours. Capitalism allows such massive wealth that just individuals can control entire towns, states and entire govts with the amount of revenue they control. And clearly the international banking system has a stranglehold on all of it. To be honest I dont see how we can even attempt to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 "You benefit from capitalism is some way, you can't be mad that capitalism is oppressive and deeply flawed" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DriftBusta Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, f7ben said: Formal Education I never graduated college and do pretty well.....of course we all know a formal education doesnt really mean a whole lot. I would bet anything moto and I would rank in the top 5% of the forum in terms of intelligence. Which isnt really saying all that much. I am not offended by ideas that challenge all the dogma I was jammed full of. Apparently that is too much for red white and blue hairs like yourself to handle. Maybe if you had one you’d understand. I’m not challenged by new ideas either, but I also believe in American exceptionalism, whereas you guys think America is all that’s wrong with the world. That’s your first mistake. 25 minutes ago, DAVE said: What do you consider formal education? I went to college for electronics...and did my apprenticeship. Formal economics college level educationfor a start, if he’s going to look down his nose at people like me, and call me the lowest form of parasite, because I’m a landlord and financial advisor. 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Reactionary old ladies: "Too many kids waste their money and time pursuing higher education" Also reactionary old ladies "You aren't allowed an opinion unless you have a formal education" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 hours ago, DAVE said: Can you explain why youre so fucked up? Im sure your therapist cant even do that. i am perfectly normal, and could be a therapist. definitely not in need of one. case in point - you actually agree more with me on this "capitalism" topic than you do noggin. but because i own you on a daily basis, point out your stupidity on a daily basis, you are mad. you are not about to show any support to my beliefs... consider that session free. next time i'm sending you a bill. hopefully you can afford it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) The idea that only tenured economic professors are the only ones qualified to comment on the subject has gotta be some of the most elitist shit Ive read in while Edited December 20, 2018 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, motonoggin said: [Derp]"Why don't you operate your business outside the dominant global economic system???"[/derp] Capitalism has been around for .001% of human history, but it's the only system that 'works' and we have to keep doing it forever and ever or we will all die. you are confusing greed with capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, Snoslinger said: you are confusing greed with capitalism. I'm not the one who is confused... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: I'm not the one who is confused... oh yes you are. again, start practicing your anti-capitalistic views and shut up. it's quite easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, Anler said: The reality is even a theoretically "perfect system" has the potential to be corrupted and abused and that is what has happened to ours. Capitalism allows such massive wealth that just individuals can control entire towns, states and entire govts with the amount of revenue they control. And clearly the international banking system has a stranglehold on all of it. To be honest I dont see how we can even attempt to change that. Human nature will have negative aspects of any form however I still feel the current system while not perfect is better than many options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: oh yes you are. again, start practicing your anti-capitalistic views and shut up. it's quite easy to do. You turn into such a reactionary when your ox gets gored. It's hilarious and a perfect example of how Democrats are right wing. Edited December 20, 2018 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Human nature will have negative aspects of any form however I still feel the current system while not perfect is better than many options. You don't really, though. You think it's perfect enough that we shouldn't ever stop doing it. Cooperation is human nature, that's how we've attained mastery over all other species on the planet. Capitalism goes against that nature, and that's why you're seeing people criticizing it. Edited December 20, 2018 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: You don't really, though. You think it's perfect enough that we shouldn't ever stop doing it. Cooperation is human nature, that's how we've attained mastery over all other species on the planet. Capitalism goes against that nature, and that's why you're seeing people criticizing it. No I think it should be massaged to help but reality is the more "socialist" mankind makes it the more it gets fucked up. You are loony if you think mankind would have accomplished what it has today on a not for profit system of economics. Sooner or later almost everyone has had enough of those that don't contribute or even try. Edited December 20, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Highmark said: Human nature will have negative aspects of any form however I still feel the current system while not perfect is better than many options. Id really like to see global acceptance of blockchain currency. F those joos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: No I think it should be massaged to help but reality is the more "socialist" mankind makes it the more it gets fucked up. You are loony if you think mankind would have accomplished what it has today on a not for profit system of economics. Sooner or later almost everyone has had enough of those that don't contribute or even try. That's the thing, PEOPLE accomplished all these things, capitalism didn't do any of the work. All capitalism did was determine who got paid for that work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, motonoggin said: The idea that only tenured economic professors are the only ones qualified to comment on the subject has gotta be some of the most elitist shit Ive read in while Maybe you’d have a point if you weren’t always wishing death on people over their chosen professions. Doesn’t get much more elitist than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Anler said: Id really like to see global acceptance of blockchain currency. F those joos. I'm not saying I don't think the worlds banking systems need overhauled are revamped but I just don't agree with blockchain currency as the only way. Its unrealistic to the average man. Edited December 20, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 Friedman demonstrates the lack of imagination amongst neoliberals. They cannot even begin to imagine a world where we don't need authority and heirarchy to have a functioning society. Of course, that's a central identifying trait of authoritarians, they cannot imagine not having a king. They need a ruler and they wish to be ruled. It's sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: Maybe you’d have a point if you weren’t always wishing death on people over their chosen professions. Doesn’t get much more elitist than that. Oh boohoo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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