jtssrx Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Why do you equate predictions/models to knowledge? You understand that they are not the same, correct? Neal I’ve been talking about predictions not models. Side note most predctions have been based off the flawed models. So while they are different they are connected 15 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Pruitt is a moron. That being said, some of his comments were taken out of context. I still don’t agree with those comments, but it was not as literal as fuck science. Why is Pruitt a moron? 14 minutes ago, f7ben said: No ....the issue is that there is zero consensus on what the impact will be. So to call it settled science is fucking retarded. Anyone with a brain can understand that the earth is warming and has been for thousands of years.....also anyone with a brain can understand man is having some impact. Its the degree of that impact that is up for debate. We’ve spent a lot of money on this issue. Money that could have been spent on a lot of things that wouldhave benefited man. 11 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: That’s exactly what I am saying. There are two arguments. Does man have an impact on climate, and what is the scope of that impact. It is settled that man has an impact. It is not settled the impact extent. Sorry your claim isn’t a fact it’s an opinion. Saying the science is settled is a religious statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, SnowRider said: The earth is flat, the moon landing never happened, and the holocaust is hoax......why waste bandwidth with JT Retard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, jtssrx said: Retard However those are all settled fact.... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted April 26, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, jtssrx said: Retard Excellent compliment when one considers the source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, jtssrx said: I’ve been talking about predictions not models. Side note most predctions have been based off the flawed models. So while they are different they are connected Why is Pruitt a moron? We’ve spent a lot of money on this issue. Money that could have been spent on a lot of things that wouldhave benefited man. Sorry your claim isn’t a fact it’s an opinion. Saying the science is settled is a religious statement. What? Do you understand even the most basic principles of scientific theory? I don’t subscribe to the doom and gloom version of mmgw. I honestly think through SCIENCE that any man made effect can be countered. But for us to counter, we have to accept that we have an impact on climate. Your lack of critical thought is astounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, jtssrx said: I’ve been talking about predictions not models. Side note most predctions have been based off the flawed models. So while they are different they are connected Why is Pruitt a moron? We’ve spent a lot of money on this issue. Money that could have been spent on a lot of things that wouldhave benefited man. Sorry your claim isn’t a fact it’s an opinion. Saying the science is settled is a religious statement. Models generate predictions, they are the outcomes of models. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 And Pruitt is a corrupt swamp beast who frivolously wastes tax payer money, has questionable skills of leadership as seen through his pay raise schemes, and doesn’t accept that as the leader of a major org, he is responsible for all that does or does not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: What? Do you understand even the most basic principles of scientific theory? I don’t subscribe to the doom and gloom version of mmgw. I honestly think through SCIENCE that any man made effect can be countered. But for us to counter, we have to accept that we have an impact on climate. Your lack of critical thought is astounding. Exactly, I also believe we can counter most of the negative impact we generate. It is sad that we still have to focus attention on agreeing we have an impact, and are not working on how to combate that impact. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Excellent compliment when one considers the source Retard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: Exactly, I also believe we can counter most of the negative impact we generate. It is sad that we still have to focus attention on agreeing we have an impact, and are not working on how to combate that impact. Neal Honestly, the scientific community and it’s advocates are partly to blame. They pushed bad scientific hypothesis and hype on good science to make this doom and gloom. It pushed people away. Now we have to fight the bad narratives about what mmgw is. Doesn’t help when you have people like Higmark and JT on the other side... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Retard Don’t you cry on a daily basis about people calling you names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: What? Do you understand even the most basic principles of scientific theory? I don’t subscribe to the doom and gloom version of mmgw. I honestly think through SCIENCE that any man made effect can be countered. But for us to counter, we have to accept that we have an impact on climate. Your lack of critical thought is astounding. The fact of the matter is I agree the climate has warmed. I do not agree man causes the warming. Natrual conditions cause warming and cooling. Increase in CO2 is caused by the warming not the other way around. Solar, volcanic, ocean currents, jet stream, ocean temp and many other things affect climate. The fact that we have only had temp readings via satellite since 79 and prior records come from ground based data tells you we don’t have all the facts when it comes to temp. Hell they don’t even correct for urban heat sync. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Don’t you cry on a daily basis about people calling you names? “WE” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Indeed, however not all policy shift is alarmist driven. Much can be said to fall under sane argument points. I disagree, and my position is that most all the warming and adverse effects it has are attributable to man. Neal And you have zero basis for this position in science......it is akin to religion. Zero proof and position based on faith in nothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, f7ben said: And you have zero basis for this position in science......it is akin to religion. Zero proof and position based on faith in nothing Lets not forget the big money people studying climate change have gotten and the big money people in government like Al Gore have made on this religion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Lets not forget the big money people studying climate change have gotten and the big money people in government like Al Gore have made on this religion Just like any other evangelist scum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 41 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Honestly, the scientific community and it’s advocates are partly to blame. They pushed bad scientific hypothesis and hype on good science to make this doom and gloom. It pushed people away. Now we have to fight the bad narratives about what mmgw is. Doesn’t help when you have people like Higmark and JT on the other side... I agree completely. You are on a roll today! Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I agree completely. You are on a roll today! Neal Yep. And this is why you have “deniers”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, f7ben said: And you have zero basis for this position in science......it is akin to religion. Zero proof and position based on faith in nothing Incorrect, we can do some basic science to create a model that has a reasonable outcome. We can eliminate some non-anthropic causes for the warming, i.e. increasing solar output, ect. We can also use science.ce to create models of how humans create heat, and add to heat trapping processes. We.can go down the avenue of process elimination and end up on anthropic driver's being the man culprit. Neal Edited April 26, 2018 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Lets not forget the big money people studying climate change have gotten and the big money people in government like Al Gore have made on this religion The other side has do the same with big energy and money. It isn't a one sided issue. Neal Edited April 26, 2018 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, f7ben said: Just like any other evangelist scum YUP! Second fucking time I agreed with you today. I think that's exceeding quota. ....and now I'm back in this god damn GW thread because Neal shit his pants below! 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Incorrect, we can do some time science to create a model that has a reasonable outcome. We can eliminate some non-anthropic causes for the warming, i.e. increasing solar output, ect. We can also use science.ce to create models of how humans create heat, and add to heat trapping processes. We.can go down the avenue of process elimination and end up on anthropic driver's being the man culprit. Neal Ahhh....yes. Summary: "If we take away all the factors that aren't man made...just leaving man...YUP! IT'S MAN!!!!!!!!!" Punch yourself in the ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: YUP! Second fucking time I agreed with you today. I think that's exceeding quota. ....and now I'm back in this god damn GW thread because Neal shit his pants below! Ahhh....yes. Summary: "If we take away all the factors that aren't man made...just leaving man...YUP! IT'S MAN!!!!!!!!!" Punch yourself in the ear. There is nothing unscientific about the process of elimination. You seem to be befuddled by science. Why would I punch myself, I'm the one on solid scientific ground. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: There is nothing unscientific about the process of elimination. You seem to be befuddled by science. Why would I punch myself, I'm the one on solid scientific ground. Neal I didn't say it was unscientific. I alluded to your post being fucking idiotic by using the process it to leave mankind as the sole orchestration of it. Trust me doode....i have yet to see you standing on solid ground. I'm pretty sure it's peat moss over slippery rock...but you balance well. Sort of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: I didn't say it was unscientific. I alluded to your post being fucking idiotic by using the process it to leave mankind as the sole orchestration of it. Trust me doode....i have yet to see you standing on solid ground. I'm pretty sure it's peat moss over slippery rock...but you balance well. Sort of. I thought you were leaving? Cue ZamBRO: Is this Neal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: I didn't say it was unscientific. I alluded to your post being fucking idiotic by using the process it to leave mankind as the sole orchestration of it. Trust me doode....i have yet to see you standing on solid ground. I'm pretty sure it's peat moss over slippery rock...but you balance well. Sort of. I didn't say mankind was the sole orchestration of it. You don't see because you choose to be blind. The peat moss you smell is the shit you bullshit you just stepped in. Neal Edited April 26, 2018 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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