Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 10, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) I haven't ridden a pro cross but how bad can it be.....not taking the word of Captain Hyperbole. Edited March 10, 2018 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: I haven't ridden a pro cross bit how bad can it be.....not taking the word of Captain Hyperbole. You're short so it probably wouldnt be so bad for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 11 hours ago, f7ben said: I cant see how anything about a ProCross is race oriented any more than any other new sled...its totally fucked ergonomically It's a race oriented design. That's why most don't care for the ergos. It reminds me of the old Ninja or Katana vs. the Zook GSXR arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zambroski said: It's a race oriented design. That's why most don't care for the ergos. It reminds me of the old Ninja or Katana vs. the Zook GSXR arguments. What exactly makes it race oriented......the fact that it makes it so uncomfortable to sit down that you have to stand up not to be pissed off???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 10, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, f7ben said: You're short so it probably wouldnt be so bad for you Settle down Kareem....how short is short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Settle down Kareem....how short is short? I'd say if you are 6' and up its going to start to get awkward and if you are 6'4 and up its going to become a glaring deficiency in the chassis design. I'm 6'5 and its a total no go Putting the taller mountain seat on helped a little but its still just a fucking weird sled. It forces you back while sitting and the bars are just out of your comfort zone then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: What exactly makes it race oriented......the fact that it makes it so uncomfortable to sit down that you have to stand up not to be pissed off???? Actually, kind of. Yes. Reality is that your height limits what your comfort level can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Settle down Kareem....how short is short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Actually, kind of. Yes. Reality is that your height limits what your comfort level can be. I understand that its my height that does that....no other sled makes this mistake though. The axys chassis sleds are 100% as capable as any CatRR sled......unless you are talking about hucking them 40' into the air of triples.....then I wouldnt know and I really couldnt care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 What one looks more comfortable to ride....vs. which one performs better on the track? I wonder if they make this ergo generator fro sleds? Hmmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 10, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: I'd say if you are 6' and up its going to start to get awkward and if you are 6'4 and up its going to become a glaring deficiency in the chassis design. I'm 6'5 and its a total no go Putting the taller mountain seat on helped a little but its still just a fucking weird sled. It forces you back while sitting and the bars are just out of your comfort zone then Got ya...I'm barely 6' 1"....just wondering because there is pretty sweet 2014 Turbo for sale on HCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Neither one of those is even close to what a Procross does to you unless you are 5'6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: Got ya...I'm barely 6' 1"....just wondering because there is pretty sweet 2014 Turbo for sale on HCS. Well unless its $4000 it would be a hard pass.....you cant give those fucking things away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: I understand that its my height that does that....no other sled makes this mistake though. The axys chassis sleds are 100% as capable as any CatRR sled......unless you are talking about hucking them 40' into the air of triples.....then I wouldnt know and I really couldnt care The reality is that Cat transfers more of their racing DNA to the showroom floor. Chassis are close to the same. "Capabilities" are up to the rider but if you had to take any comsumer sled to the track (SX or CC) and race it with equal riders, Cat is just going to be tougher and take less work to maneuver. Great for tracks...but doesn't transfer to trail real well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Neither one of those is even close to what a Procross does to you unless you are 5'6 But you got my point, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Zambroski said: The reality is that Cat transfers more of their racing DNA to the showroom floor. Chassis are close to the same. "Capabilities" are up to the rider but if you had to take any comsumer sled to the track (SX or CC) and race it with equal riders, Cat is just going to be tougher and take less work to maneuver. Great for tracks...but doesn't transfer to trail real well. The procoss is absolutely not tougher than the axys....not even close. Unless they really improved a lot of things at the component level since 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Zambroski said: But you got my point, right? I do....in the end its just an awkward chassis for tall people which really pisses me off because it eliminated going on a decades worth of sleds from my consideration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: The procoss is absolutely not tougher than the axys....not even close. Unless they really improved a lot of things at the component level since 2012 Ok...now you're losing you mind. There is a reason the vast majority of the Poo racers race the IQR and not any form of the Axys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: I do....in the end its just an awkward chassis for tall people which really pisses me off because it eliminated going on a decades worth of sleds from my consideration I understand that. And frankly, whatever attributes a vehicle brings as far as racing doesn't work if the rider can't fit the design. Pretty safe to say most motorsports OEM's aren't designing vehicles for the 6-5 racers. In fact, I think I read something years ago that the standard rider size they use is around 5'10" or average height Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Ok...now you're losing you mind. There is a reason the vast majority of the Poo racers race the IQR and not any form of the Axys. I broke the fuck out of a procross and it wasnt pretty how weak some of the shit was. I absolutely thrashed the fuck out of the axys a few times to the point I thought the bulkhead and tunnel were toast and not a fucking scratch. I was seriously impressed with how tough the front end of the axys is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Zambroski said: I understand that. And frankly, whatever attributes a vehicle brings as far as racing doesn't work if the rider can't fit the design. Pretty safe to say most motorsports OEM's aren't designing vehicles for the 6-5 racers. In fact, I think I read something years ago that the standard rider size they use is around 5'10" or average height Yup....it sucks for me but whatever. What really sucks is Cat dragged yamaha into that fucking Procrossdresser as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Yup....it sucks for me but whatever. What really sucks is Cat dragged yamaha into that fucking Procrossdresser as well Yes, that does suck. Fuck Yamaha. Too lazy and stupid to keep up with a winning design and consumer demand. But look at their pianos! Fags. I grew up on Yamaha and loved them. Very dissapointing watching them jump away from 2strokes and rider forward designs and just keep doubling, tripling and quading down on their ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Yes, that does suck. Fuck Yamaha. Too lazy and stupid to keep up with a winning design and consumer demand. But look at their pianos! Fags. I grew up on Yamaha and loved them. Very dissapointing watching them jump away from 2strokes and rider forward designs and just keep doubling, tripling and quading down on their ignorance. Its too bad the economy took a shit when FAST was bringing the Blade into the fold.....if more people would have dumped some coin on that and kept the Karpicks in the game we might have another viable sled being built still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, f7ben said: I broke the fuck out of a procross and it wasnt pretty how weak some of the shit was. I absolutely thrashed the fuck out of the axys a few times to the point I thought the bulkhead and tunnel were toast and not a fucking scratch. I was seriously impressed with how tough the front end of the axys is That's the first time I've EVER read that. Anywhere. My crash a couple years ago would have totaled my Doo...without ANY question. Based on what I've seen, heard and looked at on the Axys, it would have been trailered trash also. I limped the cat home (miserably) and bolted on new parts that week as I licked my wounds. Astonishing really but that's also why it was about 100lbs heavier than my doo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I haven't ridden a pro cross but how bad can it be.....not taking the word of Captain Hyperbole. Its fine, with the fox qs3's on it rides just like an rmotion. It's a great trail sled, just nothing exciting about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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