f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Reading the forums where the tuners are posting turns up the following info. The tiny turbo BRP is using is out of steam at 14-15 psi and starts to make a ton of heat after that. You can loosely figure power gains like this. 14.7 PSI of boost will roughly double the power output of an engine. Say plus or minus 5% depending on timing changes etc etc. The stock 900 motor in high compression configuration makes 90HP and would be in the low to mid 80's decompressed. If you double the power output of the 900T in NA form you are looking at maybe 170-175HP before that turbo runs out of steam. If you start boosting it beyond that its going to be making tons of heat and will be far more prone to detonation. So BRP gave you a 15k sled that will make 170HP if you wanna void your warranty. If you wanna make more power then that you are talking big turbo kit which is going to be very spendy and then even at that you will not crack 200HP before needing race gas So all in all this is a pathetic junk offering and nothing new for faggot ass Skidoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 If it’ll get close to 190 with a reflash that’s decent enough for me. It’ll be a great trail sled but will never be a race dominator. For a trail sled I’ll take 190 hp with zero lag over a laggy 220 hp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just wait till turbo dynamics gets their hand on it! 400 hp on pump gas with just a tune!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, f7ben said: Reading the forums where the tuners are posting turns up the following info. The tiny turbo BRP is using is out of steam at 14-15 psi and starts to make a ton of heat after that. You can loosely figure power gains like this. 14.7 PSI of boost will roughly double the power output of an engine. Say plus or minus 5% depending on timing changes etc etc. The stock 900 motor in high compression configuration makes 90HP and would be in the low to mid 80's decompressed. If you double the power output of the 900T in NA form you are looking at maybe 170-175HP before that turbo runs out of steam. If you start boosting it beyond that its going to be making tons of heat and will be far more prone to detonation. So BRP gave you a 15k sled that will make 170HP if you wanna void your warranty. If you wanna make more power then that you are talking big turbo kit which is going to be very spendy and then even at that you will not crack 200HP before needing race gas So all in all this is a pathetic junk offering and nothing new for faggot ass Skidoo You know why they did this right? They want to continue to see the 850 as the top sled they offer. If they offered a 200 HP turbo that only weighed 40 pounds more dry then the 850 they wouldn't sell many 850's. It's complete BS!!! Evo said they are making 250 with a cheap Turbo upgrade and a tune on the side by sides. I agree this turbo is maxed out at about 185Hp on pump gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Kyle Fritz You'll be surprised at what the little 900 can put out. It's going to be a fun one. 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Hide 21 Replies Matt Habada Kyle, what kind of power are you guys getting with your tunes on the Maverick? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Kyle Fritz Anywhere from 170whp up to 390whp 😎 +30% for the crank hp equivalent. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Matt Habada Kyle Fritz what is that in English? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Kyle Fritz Over 200 crank hp with stock turbo 240ish on a cheap turbo upgrade up to 450hp on a built motor with a custom turbo setup 2 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Matt Habada Kyle Fritz thank you. Impressive. 91 octane on the 240 upgrade? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Kyle Fritz No that was on 110....those are rough estimates as well as we use a wheel dyno for sxs not a crank dyno Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Matt Habada I think what potential buyers are wanting to know is what is this 900 turbo capable of on 91. Any idea? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Kyle Fritz I think with cool intake Temps 210-215hp on 91. 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Matt Habada Thanks Kyle. I'll keep the winder. Just had your new stage 4 installed, excited to see the difference this weekend compared to my old stage 4 EVO tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: If it’ll get close to 190 with a reflash that’s decent enough for me. It’ll be a great trail sled but will never be a race dominator. For a trail sled I’ll take 190 hp with zero lag over a laggy 220 hp It wont get 190 on a reflash and that would be way off the compressor map. Like spinning the stock cat snail at 30psi just making heat not power 2 minutes ago, jtssrx said: You know why they did this right? They want to continue to see the 850 as the top sled they offer. If they offered a 200 HP turbo that only weighed 40 pounds more dry then the 850 they wouldn't sell many 850's. It's complete BS!!! Evo said they are making 250 with a cheap Turbo upgrade and a tune on the side by sides. I agree this turbo is maxed out at about 185Hp on pump gas. Exactly....complete BS. I saw Evo claiming 240HP with their full big turbo kit and that was on straight C16. Not impressive at all....in fact its pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Kyle Fritz You'll be surprised at what the little 900 can put out. It's going to be a fun one. 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Hide 21 Replies Matt Habada Kyle, what kind of power are you guys getting with your tunes on the Maverick? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Kyle Fritz Anywhere from 170whp up to 390whp 😎 +30% for the crank hp equivalent. Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Matt Habada Kyle Fritz what is that in English? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Kyle Fritz Over 200 crank hp with stock turbo 240ish on a cheap turbo upgrade up to 450hp on a built motor with a custom turbo setup 2 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Matt Habada Kyle Fritz thank you. Impressive. 91 octane on the 240 upgrade? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Kyle Fritz No that was on 110....those are rough estimates as well as we use a wheel dyno for sxs not a crank dyno Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Matt Habada I think what potential buyers are wanting to know is what is this 900 turbo capable of on 91. Any idea? Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Kyle Fritz I think with cool intake Temps 210-215hp on 91. 1 Manage LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14h Matt Habada Thanks Kyle. I'll keep the winder. Just had your new stage 4 installed, excited to see the difference this weekend compared to my old stage 4 EVO tune. Complete BS propganda trying to pump this thing. Show me some dyno sheets with AFR , BSFC and Pressure. There is no way all the turbo kit makers left that much on the table with their kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 This is from the EVO site Stage 1 – 15 lbs of boost for stock exhaust – 91 Octane Stage 2- 15 lbs of boost for stock muffler with Cat Bypass – 91 Octane Stage 3 – 15 lbs of boost for full exhaust – 91 Octane Stage 3Ri – 16 lbs of boost, full exhaust – 93 Octane Stage 4Ri – 17.5 lbs of boost, full exhaust – 95 Octane Stage 5Ri – 17.5 lbs of boost, full exhaust – E85 Stage 1 which is about what guys are saying is the limit for the turbo would put out efficiently would get you about 170HP ....add a full exhaust and maybe 175hp Their full stage 5 tune with E85 requiring fuel system upgrades etc is probably running some pretty wild timing which E85 will support......it might......might be making 195HP That bullshit above from that Kyle dude is just that....total bullshit claims with nothing to back them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Complete BS propganda trying to pump this thing. Show me some dyno sheets with AFR , BSFC and Pressure. There is no way all the turbo kit makers left that much on the table with their kits. My guess is this sled will make 180 max with the current turbo on pump gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, jtssrx said: My guess is this sled will make 180 max with the current turbo on pump gas. On 93 Octane with full exhaust maybe.....and that would be spinning the turbo really hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: On 93 Octane with full exhaust maybe.....and that would be spinning the turbo really hard The Side by side is making 172 from the factory. The sled would have to be close to 180 with a tune and no other changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 So in the end a 180-190 hp trail sled will be fun. The turbo is “small” but that makes it more responsive and better for its purpose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doorider Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 So the sled won't do something it was never intended to do? Wow shocker.... Brp wants to make money like any real smart company. Not beat on their chests that they make a fast sled that 1% of riders are in the market for 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, Doorider said: So the sled won't do something it was never intended to do? Wow shocker.... Brp wants to make money like any real smart company. Not beat on their chests that they make a fast sled that 1% of riders are in the market for I think it’s 2%. However if doo would build a hyper sled that market would grow some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doorider Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: I think it’s 2%. However if doo would build a hyper sled that market would grow some To me, building a 200 hp sled and selling it for 14k is a cry of desperation. It means your sales suck and you have nothing else to try but build something stupid fast that people will talk about. Edited February 21, 2018 by Doorider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Ben sure is triggered!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Rod Johnson said: If it’ll get close to 190 with a reflash that’s decent enough for me. It’ll be a great trail sled but will never be a race dominator. For a trail sled I’ll take 190 hp with zero lag over a laggy 220 hp 11 minutes ago, Doorider said: So the sled won't do something it was never intended to do? Wow shocker.... Brp wants to make money like any real smart company. Not beat on their chests that they make a fast sled that 1% of riders are in the market for Exactly, they're smart to cater to the average consumer, not the Bents of the world. No question there's a very small percentage of people who want a fire breathing lake racer. I believe Doo hit a home run with this sled, time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, snoughnut said: Exactly, they're smart to cater to the average consumer, not the Bents of the world. No question there's a very small percentage of people who want a fire breathing lake racer. I believe Doo hit a home run with this sled, time will tell. Thats where you are wrong......look at the % of cat turbos that stay stock.....its low. Everyone wants more and cheaper power and Skidoo doesnt want to deliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Thats where you are wrong......look at the % of cat turbos that stay stock.....its low. Everyone wants more and cheaper power and Skidoo doesnt want to deliver. Actually 400 bucks for 30 more hp is pretty cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, DAVE said: Actually 400 bucks for 30 more hp is pretty cheap Compared to two strokes that’s for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, DAVE said: Actually 400 bucks for 30 more hp is pretty cheap On the cat 400$ gets you 100 more HP .....so skidoo is immensely expensive in comparison. Of course skidoo does all this by plan. They dont want to upstage their precious 850 so they boosted a little toy motor that cant make any power 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Thats where you are wrong......look at the % of cat turbos that stay stock.....its low. Everyone wants more and cheaper power and Skidoo doesnt want to deliver. No, you're wrong, Ski Doo is listening to their customers, the only thing I'll agree with you on the 900T is the cost, other than that I think it will be a hit, now shut the fuck up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Compared to two strokes that’s for sure The cfr 1000 can match and exceed that !!!!!!!!!111111111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 @f7ben all of that malarchy you are spewing sounds like a bunch of faggot speak i have no interest in anyway. Outside of some clutching and durability improvements the current 800 trail class sleds are all I am interested in. Having a 240hp snowmobile so I can do throttle blips on the trails while wrestling a 700lb faggot mobile does not turn my crank. Now.. A reliable 170-180hp snowmobile in a great and fairly light chassis that I dont have to put $50 a gallon synthetic oil in sounds like a great trail sled to me. Great Job Skidoo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, snoughnut said: No, you're wrong, Ski Doo is listening to their customers, the only thing I'll agree with you on the 900T is the cost, other than that I think it will be a hit, now shut the fuck up its garbage and you are garbage !!!!!!!1111111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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