MiSledder Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I disagree with your pretense that all wages will be equal. Youve said that money wont be needed in your utopia and that everyday will be like Xmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: Fuck that. I bought a 10 grand John Deere with power steering, cupholders and do it myself. Murica!!! Same here. Mowing is my yoga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: I disagree with your pretense that all wages will be equal. I understand a doctor wouldn’t make the same wage as a landscaper, but how do we ensure demand for menial labor in this environment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, MiSledder said: Youve said that money wont be needed in your utopia and that everyday will be like Xmas Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: I understand a doctor wouldn’t make the same wage as a landscaper, but how do we ensure demand for menial labor in this environment? Menial labor will either be eliminated or become more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Menial labor will either be eliminated or become more expensive. I guess that seems far fetched to me. We still need roofs, we still need septics pumped, we still need things cleaned, etc. we can’t automate all in our lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Exactly So who would mow lawns in your world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: I love me a good riding mower. Pounding back Bud Lights and making Bourgeoisie stripes like a golf course is high on my list of satisfying things to do on a weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Fuck yeah it is. I think a bigger problem is with all the chemicals in the fertilizers. A lot of that ends up running off into the lakes and streams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: I guess that seems far fetched to me. We still need roofs, we still need septics pumped, we still need things cleaned, etc. we can’t automate all in our lives. And we still need jobs for the uneducated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: I guess that seems far fetched to me. We still need roofs, we still need septics pumped, we still need things cleaned, etc. we can’t automate all in our lives. Of course. Maybe an increase in cost of these services would drive better septic system, better roofing materials, etc 4 minutes ago, MiSledder said: So who would mow lawns in your world? This is Lily's best argument to remain under the dictatorship of capital. 'buy who'll mow my lawn????' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: And we still need jobs for the uneducated. Or maybe we can just educate more people? 5 minutes ago, Edmo said: I think a bigger problem is with all the chemicals in the fertilizers. A lot of that ends up running off into the lakes and streams. Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Maybe if maintaining lawns becomes too expensive or time-consuming, we'll do something different with our lawns that's maybe not so harmful to the environment. Yah, and fuck haircuts and soap too! Grooming is a construct of the oppressive ruling class, amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Or maybe we can just educate more people? That creates another problem in itself. Now you have graduates with $65k in debt making $70 k a yr. And plumbers with zero debt making $110 k a yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Of course. Maybe an increase in cost of these services would drive better septic system, better roofing materials, etc This is Lily's best argument to remain under the dictatorship of capital. 'buy who'll mow my lawn????' Have you ever priced having someone re-roof your house? Same senario, people will start roofing themselves or go with metal so it never needs to be done again I mow my own lawn, cant afford to pay someone to mow 3.5 acres Edited January 25, 2018 by MiSledder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, s pump said: Yah, and fuck haircuts and soap too! Grooming is a construct of the oppressive ruling class, amirite? That's right, Gary. Spraying chemicals and shit all over your lawn is the same as wiping your ass properly. 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: That creates another problem in itself. Now you have graduates with $65k in debt making $70 k a yr. And plumbers with zero debt making $110 k a yr. You're implying that a plumber is uneducated because he doesn't have student loan debt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, MiSledder said: Have you ever priced having someone re-roof your house? Same senario, people will start roofing themselves of go with metal so it never needs to be done I mow my own lawn, cant afford to pay someone to mow 3.5 acres Or worse, Just not do it. Everone has been thru a town were there is no money and every house looks like a crackhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, MiSledder said: Have you ever priced having someone re-roof your house? Same senario, people will start roofing themselves or go with metal so it never needs to be done again I mow my own lawn, cant afford to pay someone to mow 3.5 acres Yes, it isn't cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: That's right, Gary. Spraying chemicals and shit all over your lawn is the same as wiping your ass properly. You're implying that a plumber is uneducated because he doesn't have student loan debt? No , I'm implying he dosnt have a formal secondary education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Its pretty sad when motos utopia cant figure out how to get a lawn mowed Edited January 25, 2018 by MiSledder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, steve from amherst said: Or worse, Just not do it. Everone has been thru a town were there is no money and every house looks like a crackhouse. Right, because there's only two types of yards 1) finely manicured and chemical soaked monoculture 2)yards full of 7 foot weeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: That's right, Gary. Spraying chemicals and shit all over your lawn is the same as wiping your ass properly. You're implying that a plumber is uneducated because he doesn't have student loan debt? I thought we were talking about mowing. Do you brush hog your land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, MiSledder said: Its pretty sad when motos utopia cant figure out how to mow a lawn You do your own, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: No , I'm implying he dosnt have a formal secondary education. But he's certainly not uneducated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 25, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 25, 2018 That's depends on ones definition . I believe he is educated. Some will say that outside of plumbing he may be uneducated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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