Angry ginger Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 hours ago, SVT Renegade XRS said: I'm still surprised you got one not ever riding a G4. honestly coming from an XS and riding a G4 and a SBA the SBA immediately felt more comfortable as a chassis than the G4 did. I need to get some time on one with a better seat though as the adrenaline seat last year was not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 10, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 hours ago, f7ben said: .....the top 10 list of fastest outlaw sleds is probably 9 cats and they are all built on the 1100. Every single outlaw race is 100% dominated by Zook 1100 powered sleds Just because you saw some fast apex turbo at the weenie roast 5 years ago does not mean you have any idea what you are talkin about Grass drags are all 1100 zook The only place any yamaha may be competitive still is some OSP sleds running 1000' of ice Yep. The 1100 is a very stout base to start from. I've talked to guys that don't want to push the new 1000 motor much over 300-330 because of cylinder pressure. Know a guy who ran some of the Outlaw races and he is die hard Skidoo and he will tell you the same thing. He cracked the top 5 one race a few years ago before having track problems on his 1200. I think he said he was the only non 1100 to do so in quite a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 10, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 10, 2018 I know what won't be coming out. A 1000cc Triple/Single built off all the tech in todays engines in the modern day chassis. 200 HP pull and go sled with that awesome triple 2 stroke sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, DriftBusta said: What did you ride? Pretty damn happy so far with this SBA. A 900ace taking a 1200 gsx today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Frostynuts said: Bullshit. 1500 bucks my ass. Full kill ??? Just when I think you might have half a clue, you fuck it up, again. Write up a tutorial on how you get a 130 HP motor to 250, with 1500 bucks. I,ll take 3 of those kits when they are ready. First of all you fucking brain dead know nothing retard you wouldnt need to get the doo to 250 to take down the yamaha at 250. Fucking idiot 2nd go fuck yourself you fucking moron. I could write up the simple parts list and you wouldnt understand any of it because you dont know shit about turbo sleds or putting one together You are about the dumbest motherfucker on here......no go play in the street fucking truckstop cock hound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 hours ago, f7ben said: .....the top 10 list of fastest outlaw sleds is probably 9 cats and they are all built on the 1100. Every single outlaw race is 100% dominated by Zook 1100 powered sleds Just because you saw some fast apex turbo at the weenie roast 5 years ago does not mean you have any idea what you are talkin about Grass drags are all 1100 zook The only place any yamaha may be competitive still is some OSP sleds running 1000' of ice On snow here in the open class it’s mostly 1200’s, 1100’s and huge Old triples. Don’t see any competitive Yamaha’s. Their engines are too weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: On snow here in the open class it’s mostly 1200’s, 1100’s and huge Old triples. Don’t see any competitive Yamaha’s. Their engines are too weak Down here you have to be running 600HP or more nowadays to even get a whiff of the outlaw class so we are talking 10k engine builds no matter what. The apex block can be put together to hold that power but it expensive and doesnt have the support of the cat. I think the precision sports 1200's could compete but there arent anywhere near as many of them and the aftermarket support is limited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 hours ago, f7ben said: I'm hoping to find one as well Already disheartened with PolarDog eh? Bipolarhooknose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Momorider said: Already disheartened with PolarDog eh? Bipolarhooknose Not at all ....love the chassis. Love 4 stroke motors also though and Polaris will not give us one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, f7ben said: Down here you have to be running 600HP or more nowadays to even get a whiff of the outlaw class so we are talking 10k engine builds no matter what. The apex block can be put together to hold that power but it expensive and doesnt have the support of the cat. I think the precision sports 1200's could compete but there arent anywhere near as many of them and the aftermarket support is limited Not sure what ECU tuning for the 1200 is like now either. It used to be shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Not sure what ECU tuning for the 1200 is like now either. It used to be shit The new ECU can be used for turbo sleds .....Boost Engineering I think is using stock MAP maps in the ecu to run low boost sleds Everyone that races or even has two nickels to rub together is running motec now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: The new ECU can be used for turbo sleds .....Boost Engineering I think is using stock MAP maps in the ecu to run low boost sleds Everyone that races or even has two nickels to rub together is running motec now though. We need HP tuners to get into it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: We need HP tuners to get into it!!! I think the new ecu is a bosch .....the old seimens was apile of fucking shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: I think the new ecu is a bosch .....the old seimens was apile of fucking shit Yeah it was. Really needed a stand alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Yeah it was. Really needed a stand alone Skidoo chooses ECU's that are tough to crack and have little support on purpose....they dont want people having access to anything or being able to make it better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 10, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, f7ben said: you can turbo a 1200 for 1500$ now and it would smoke that yamaha motor sled unless its on full kill. The 1200 eats up boost 2 hours ago, Frostynuts said: Bullshit. 1500 bucks my ass. Full kill ??? Just when I think you might have half a clue, you fuck it up, again. Write up a tutorial on how you get a 130 HP motor to 250, with 1500 bucks. I,ll take 3 of those kits when they are ready. I'm not so sure you can turbo a 1200 for $1500. I'd do my GSX in a heartbeat if I could do it up right for that little of coin. I will say the 1200 Turbo's EXTREMELY well. Buddy of mine has 2 (small and big turbo) and they both run very fucking hard. Edited January 10, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 10, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: Skidoo chooses ECU's that are tough to crack and have little support on purpose....they dont want people having access to anything or being able to make it better Why would they? Hey here's a 135 HP sled, feel free to turbo it and double the HP and we will gladly cover it under warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: I'm not so sure you can turbo a 1200 for $1500. I will say the 1200 Turbo's EXTREMELY well. Buddy of mine has 2 (small and big turbo) and they both run very fucking hard. Used parts I could do it easily for 1500$ .....the PCV pti is a good box for simple stage 1 tuning. I might be a little off base of how well the sidewinder runs as I have no experience with them but a Doo set up right and running 6-7lbs boost will give a 240HP zook motor cat all it can handle and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: Why would they? Hey here's a 135 HP sled, feel free to turbo it and double the HP and we will gladly cover it under warranty. Its not about warranty .....that is voided as soon as you crack the hood. Its about giving people options to build what they want. Cat understood this and gave us the ability to spend $300 for a tune and have as much power as we wanted. Faggots at skidoo fucked us out of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 10, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, f7ben said: Used parts I could do it easily for 1500$ .....the PCV pti is a good box for simple stage 1 tuning. I might be a little off base of how well the sidewinder runs as I have no experience with them but a Doo set up right and running 6-7lbs boost will give a 240HP zook motor cat all it can handle and more I haven't compared with my Sidewinder yet but I completely agree a 240ish HP doo is a beast. For the average guy they are going to be $4000++ to turbo a 1200 and get the most out of it. Hell isn't the motec setup with software around $4000 alone? I will say this, the 1200 turbo's I run with go like a scalded dog but they do tweak them and seem to take quite a while to get dialed in. The Cat and Yam are pretty much plug and go with no or less worries and dicking with. Maybe they don't run as well but they are much less time consuming. JMHO. Edited January 10, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 41 minutes ago, Highmark said: I haven't compared with my Sidewinder yet but I completely agree a 240ish HP doo is a beast. For the average guy they are going to be $4000++ to turbo a 1200 and get the most out of it. Hell isn't the motec setup with software around $4000 alone? I will say this, the 1200 turbo's I run with go like a scalded dog but they do tweak them and seem to take quite a while to get dialed in. The Cat and Yam are pretty much plug and go with no or less worries and dicking with. Maybe they don't run as well but they are much less time consuming. JMHO. To get 240 out of the Doo you are talking fuel system upgrades and then it gets more complex and more costly. You can get about 205-210 out of the Doo fuel system stock and that is plenty to run with an 1100 turbo set at 240 and running pump fuel. Motec is expensive for sure ....but at that point you can run 340HP or so on regular pump gas and there is no stock turbo cat or yamaha that is going to be within a ball field of you Also I should add that my estimate of 1500$ to turbo a Doo is a no frills cheapo setup with a PB80 and used parts. Fueling it with a PCV and being happy with a 6-7lbs boost ceiling Maybe it would be 1700$ depending on how lucky you were sourcing parts etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Doodoo released a new 125 hp etec 600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 In a gen 4 rev chassis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Doodoo released a new 125 hp etec 600 what a pile of faggots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, f7ben said: what a pile of faggots Same hp as a 1995 formula III 600! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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