revrnd Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 12 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: I was trying to find a pic of the bag on one of their helicopters but haven't found on it, how the hell can a bag fall off freak accident for sure. How is it secured? why isn't is in a metal box This is what the bag looks like intact: http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/line-hose-electrode-bags/line-hose-bag No idea of if it's actually used for tools or carrying the orange 'guards' that are placed over the wires when working near them? Like someone posted, the guys had probably down the same tasks hundreds of times before and shit happens. Heck I got my thumb caught in a spot welding gun 1 day when we were doing a PM. Fortunately no lasting injury. We'd done that hundreds of time over the years & that day I had a brain fart. Luckily nobody was hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I recall seeing some stats from WSIB a while back where if I recall correctly they said something like 90% of injuries occur when people have that brain fart and make a mistake OR intentionally disregard the safety protocols that are in place because they are a nuisance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 So Irv, Fail where was the video shot? Were they Hydro One employees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 10 hours ago, 02sled said: I recall seeing some stats from WSIB a while back where if I recall correctly they said something like 90% of injuries occur when people have that brain fart and make a mistake OR intentionally disregard the safety protocols that are in place because they are a nuisance. The last maybe 5 years, there has been a much bigger presence on many construction sites regarding health and safety inspectors, I believe a lot of new people were hired to do that, plus the big changes in the training/safety certificates needed & many job sites make it mandatory to go through a site safety orientation before you are even allowed to work on the site. I am guessing Hydo One is self governed by their own H&S team that do their own spot checks on proper practices and ensure the safety policies are being followed. My dad was a linesman, he has mentioned on a few occasions that some of the safety measures brought in over the last while actually do the opposite, it gives the younger guys entering the work force a lack of respect for what they are working with, in their line of field...perhaps that is his "old boys" attitude of looking at, not sure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 10 hours ago, Stoney said: The last maybe 5 years, there has been a much bigger presence on many construction sites regarding health and safety inspectors, I believe a lot of new people were hired to do that, plus the big changes in the training/safety certificates needed & many job sites make it mandatory to go through a site safety orientation before you are even allowed to work on the site. I am guessing Hydo One is self governed by their own H&S team that do their own spot checks on proper practices and ensure the safety policies are being followed. My dad was a linesman, he has mentioned on a few occasions that some of the safety measures brought in over the last while actually do the opposite, it gives the younger guys entering the work force a lack of respect for what they are working with, in their line of field...perhaps that is his "old boys" attitude of looking at, not sure.... Normally there is a safety coordinator assigned by the general contractor on large projects who's sole responsibility is to ensure the safety procedures are followed. On one site the owners overruled him and were forced to sign off on sole liability for a safety circuit that did not meet SIL3/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 OHSA spells out a lot of regulations about having Health & Safety Committees. We had people certified Level 1 & 2 for OHSA relative to the number of people on site. We had a scissor lift that the guys grumbled about needing a safety harness for even when they weren't what they thought wasn't very high up. They always used it though. We also had some very high amperage and voltage electrical infrastructure. I was highly motivated to make sure all the safety regulations were followed. Under OHSA if someone was seriously injured or killed I could land in jail. That wasn't going to happen. I never had any pushback on health or safety spending of any sort. Corporately every site had a defibrillator and everyone on our site was trained on how to use it as well as receiving a 3 day course in First Aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtserider Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 MNR lost 4 workers in helicopter accident in 2003 Similar aircraft as well..My partner who worked for them at time lost friends She had more helo time other than the pilots..Never did she say training or equipment was an issue. So saying Thats not going to happen is wishful thinking. Shit happens.Best is we can learn from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 2 hours ago, gtserider said: MNR lost 4 workers in helicopter accident in 2003 Similar aircraft as well..My partner who worked for them at time lost friends She had more helo time other than the pilots..Never did she say training or equipment was an issue. So saying Thats not going to happen is wishful thinking. Shit happens.Best is we can learn from it. Are you talking about the crash near Mekatina north of the Soo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtserider Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 9 hours ago, revrnd said: Are you talking about the crash near Mekatina north of the Soo? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 14 hours ago, gtserider said: Yes We were familiar w/ that crash & remarked on the very rugged terrain in the area when we passed the Mekatina siding the winter we did our Tracks To Trails trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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