If the US system is so much better than the "socialist" Canadian system...

[revkevsdi]

Why is your per capita debt so much higher?

Why do Canadians have a higher net worth?

[bussman]

Because of MAGA you nook cunt, that’s why. 
 

[revkevsdi]

31 minutes ago, bussman said:

Because of MAGA you nook cunt, that’s why. 
 

You had almost equal representation from Democrats as Republicans for the last 40 years, they are all further right than Canadian conservative policies, yet Canada kicked your ass. 

I'm sorry the truth makes you angry. 

Edited January 27, 2020 by revkevsdi

[ArcticCrusher]

Thanks Harper.

[Edmo]

Inferior complex on full display here. What a dope.

 

[bussman]

1 minute ago, Edmo said:

Inferior complex on full display here. What a dope.

 

Just so stupid.  

[frenchy]

On behalf of all Canadians on the site (with the exception of that fat cowardly sloth momo), I sincerely apologize.

[revkevsdi]

18 minutes ago, Edmo said:

Inferior complex on full display here. What a dope.

 

 

16 minutes ago, bussman said:

Just so stupid.  

It's kind of the point isn't it? We aren't inferior. Higher net worth, lower per capita national debt. 

[revkevsdi]

15 minutes ago, frenchy said:

On behalf of all Canadians on the site (with the exception of that fat cowardly sloth momo), I sincerely apologize.

Good grovelling.  

[steve from amherst]

The US system isn't so much better. What does make it somewhat better is we have a choice. My total HC costs from age 18-47 was about $3500

[revkevsdi]

7 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

The US system isn't so much better. What does make it somewhat better is we have a choice. My total HC costs from age 18-47 was about $3500

I'm not talking about healthcare.  I'm talking about the whole tax breaks for the rich, quantitive easing to bail out the 1% etc.  Your whole system regardless of all the flag waving and claims of being number 1 doesn't work as well for the most of your population as the Canadian system works for us. 

[steve from amherst]

1 minute ago, revkevsdi said:

I'm not talking about healthcare.  I'm talking about the whole tax breaks for the rich, quantitive easing to bail out the 1% etc.  Your whole system regardless of all the flag waving and claims of being number 1 doesn't work as well for the most of your population as the Canadian system works for us. 

Our system works quite well for many people. There will always be rich people in this country and there will always be poor people. But the average person who puts something into their life will get quite a bit out of it.

[revkevsdi]

6 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

Our system works quite well for many people. There will always be rich people in this country and there will always be poor people. But the average person who puts something into their life will get quite a bit out of it.

Yet the Canadian system works much better for the majority of the people. Isn't that what is suppose to happen in a democracy? Government of the people for the people? Or do you prefer the old class system that worked in England before WW1?

[frenchy]

24 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

Good grovelling.  

not grovelling your threads are just rather embarrassing.

Both countries have their good and bad qualities. However I know for a fact at my income level I'd be much further ahead in the US than here. Lower ends of the spectrum Canadians have it better I admit but no one strives for that, so congrats! I guess?

[steve from amherst]

2 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

Yet the Canadian system works much better for the majority of the people. Isn't that what is suppose to happen in a democracy? Government of the people for the people? Or do you prefer the old class system that worked in England before WW1?

I prefer a system where those that work enjoy a better life then those that don't. Do you realy believe most chugs in Canada enjoy as good of a life as you do ?

[Sleepr2]

Poor Barbie, she’s trying so hard,,,,l

[Edmo]

1 hour ago, revkevsdi said:

 

It's kind of the point isn't it? We aren't inferior. Higher net worth, lower per capita national debt. 

Why does this matter so much to you? Why are you constantly bragging about how much you have, and how much better it is than everyone else?

Its very odd.

[ArcticCrusher]

1 hour ago, frenchy said:

not grovelling your threads are just rather embarrassing.

Both countries have their good and bad qualities. However I know for a fact at my income level I'd be much further ahead in the US than here. Lower ends of the spectrum Canadians have it better I admit but no one strives for that, so congrats! I guess?

Barb claims to be successful, hmmm.

[snopro31]

Canada's system is a weird one. 

If you try to work your way out of poverty you are hit as you don't qualify for some form of reduced aid. 

If you want to be a person who lives in the government trough you are further ahead of those trying to work their way out of poverty.

If you are a middle class citizen you get penalized for wanting to do better by the tax structure.  

 

A mixture of systems might be the best or could be the worst.

[ArcticCrusher]

4 minutes ago, snopro31 said:

Canada's system is a weird one. 

If you try to work your way out of poverty you are hit as you don't qualify for some form of reduced aid. 

If you want to be a person who lives in the government trough you are further ahead of those trying to work their way out of poverty.

If you are a middle class citizen you get penalized for wanting to do better by the tax structure.  

 

A mixture of systems might be the best or could be the worst.

Frenchy nailed it.

Also working for government you are deciding to limit your potential.

[Ez ryder]

2 hours ago, revkevsdi said:

Why is your per capita debt so much higher?

Why do Canadians have a higher net worth?

how much money per capita  do you give out the the rest of the world ? 

[snopro31]

Just now, ArcticCrusher said:

Frenchy nailed it.

Also working for government you are deciding to limit your potential.

I know working for the government is deciding my limit to potential.  I work both sides.  Private and Government and def if I wanted to take the next step I would head the private route.  But I'd rather take the next step on a non current occupational based turn. 

But working in a field that directly deals with the lower socioeconomic status population its mind boggling how hard it is for people to get out from being the working poor.  

[Zambroski]

2 hours ago, Edmo said:

Inferior complex on full display here. What a dope.

 

Massive inferiority complex is exactly right. 

2 hours ago, frenchy said:

On behalf of all Canadians on the site (with the exception of that fat cowardly sloth momo), I sincerely apologize.

Unnecessary.  We know.  We have way more than our fair share.

[revkevsdi]

1 hour ago, frenchy said:

not grovelling your threads are just rather embarrassing.

Both countries have their good and bad qualities. However I know for a fact at my income level I'd be much further ahead in the US than here. Lower ends of the spectrum Canadians have it better I admit but no one strives for that, so congrats! I guess?

Anecdotal evidence is kind of useless.  

23 minutes ago, snopro31 said:

Canada's system is a weird one. 

If you try to work your way out of poverty you are hit as you don't qualify for some form of reduced aid. 

If you want to be a person who lives in the government trough you are further ahead of those trying to work their way out of poverty.

If you are a middle class citizen you get penalized for wanting to do better by the tax structure.  

 

A mixture of systems might be the best or could be the worst.

And yet our system works better for most people than the US one does. 

The median net worth of Canadians is higher than that of the US.  50% of Canadians have a higher net worth and 70% of US citizens.

The per capita debt of US citizens is $67,000.00 per person. Canada's is less than $15,000.00.

That is quite a disparity. It probably has something to do with a more equitable tax system and a closer ratio of worker pay to eco pay. 

Weird how allergic to facts people have become in the Trump era.  

 

[Highmark]

American Health Care Treats Canadians Who Cannot Wait

Canadian Medicare, our northern neighbor’s universal health care system, generally receives rave reviews from proponents of nationalized or socialized health care, but the Fraser Institute found that more than 63,000 Canadians left their country to have surgery in 2016.

As Americans contemplate overturning our health system in favor of one similar to Canada’s, we must ask why so many leave.

The Canadian system consistently ranks low or lowest across numerous metrics in the Commonwealth Fund’s extensive survey on health care. With regards to specialists and surgeries, the United States ranked best or nearly best.

The Fraser Institute study did not examine where Canadians traveled for surgery, but given proximity and our much better metrics, most probably came here.

Surgeries are scheduled after patients are seen by the surgeon, and most people see surgeons only after a referral by either their primary care physician in America, or their general practitioner in Canada. In the United States, 70% of patients are able to be seen by specialists less than four weeks after a referral. In Canada, less than 40% were seen inside of four weeks.

After being advised that they need a procedure done, only about 35% of Canadians had their surgery within a month, whereas in the United States, 61% did. After four months, about 97% of Americans were able to have their surgery, whereas Canada struggled to achieve 80%.

America is significantly outperforming Canada in surgery wait times even as it’s likely that tens of thousands of Canadians come here to use the American system.

General surgery, procedures such as appendectomies, cholecystectomies, and hernia repairs, make up the largest portion of those who leave Canada for care. Based on the latest available date from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the total Canadian case load for many of these procedures is about 10% of America’s.

America’s health system is certainly flawed and in need of reform, but there is clearly something working well enough that our system, despite already treating 10 times more cases of appendicitis, can absorb the dissatisfied Canadians.

This has been a consistent trend since at least 2014, when an estimated 52,513 Canadians left for their medical care. In 2015, the number went down slightly to 45,619. 2016 exceeded the 2015 number with an estimated 63,459 patients seeking care elsewhere.

Moreover, both countries have had comparable rates of private health insurance coverage for the past 20 years, roughly 60-70%. But the Canadian private insurance market is entirely supplemental—it covers co-payments for services not covered or not entirely covered by the provincial insurance.

Primary coverage, which is the predominant form of insurance in America, is all but illegal in Canada, and would be under “Medicare for All” as well.

In the United States, government insurance covers gaps left by the private market. Private insurance is the norm and Medicare and Medicaid provide a health insurance safety net for elderly or low-income Americans.

In Canada, government-provided Medicare is the primary form of insurance, and private plans merely fill in gaps in coverage for those with more disposable income or employee benefits. The two systems are mirror opposites of one another.

Health care is a product of the labor of physicians, nurses, technicians, and a whole ecosystem of health care workers. If making the government the primary payer for these services is so smart, why does the universal system next door shed patients by the tens of thousands to ours?

American health care can be improved and should be; American health care performs about middle-of-the-pack for many other items on the Commonwealth Fund survey. There are many inefficiencies, often government-imposed, that increase the cost of health care and restrict the insurance market.

The administration already has loosened some regulations that will give employers more flexibility in providing health benefits and has begun to push for price transparency, which also should bring down costs.

Whatever the case may be, reforming American health care should focus on enabling our strengths. Under no circumstance should we tear it down and build it anew to resemble the system whose citizens escape by the tens of thousands just to be treated in a timely manner.