Liberals charged with Bribery

[Stoney]

38 minutes ago, Sksman said:

It is unfortunate that city / government workers are branded as such lazy people but then again they dont do anything to remove that brand.  

You never hear the city unions discuss productivity and doing more for the same amount.  Its always we need more people and more money to do the same work but after adding staff its actually less.

THen when you top it off with stories such as the Viagra rip off the taxpayers get seriously pissed.  

 

My biggest mistake was not joining the city payroll full time when i was younger.  

 

26 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

In all honesty laziness happens in all walks.  The issue is when employees are protected to the point where its almost impossible to discipline them, the productivity goes down the shitter.  There are many hard working public sector workers out there I am sure do not like the way they are labeled.

 

On the bold, one of my best buds says that all the time whenever we get together.

 

The union city system is not conducive for people to over achieve or  try and excel at what they do, the under achievers are the ones getting further ahead or not getting disciplined for lack of performance, setting the bar extremely low.

If you are a person that wants to excel in that environment, you need to have some thick skin.

Or just not give two shits on just about anything....

[ArcticCrusher]

9 minutes ago, Stoney said:

 

 

The union city system is not conducive for people to over achieve or  try and excel at what they do, the under achievers are the ones getting further ahead or not getting disciplined for lack of performance, setting the bar extremely low.

If you are a person that wants to excel in that environment, you need to have some thick skin.

Or just not give two shits on just about anything....

You have to leave the union if you want to excel in the public sector.  Unfortunately, the private sector pays their top people better.  

[revrnd]

O2, you could've saved yourself a lot of typing & just said this:

"feather bedding"

Mind you Fail probably has never heard of this before. Killer would say it doesn't exist in Toronto.

[1trailmaker]

2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

He would likely get you.

 

You OK with this? 

 

Yes these people do not have a lunch room or break room other than the park they are in, are you not okay with breaks and lunch time?

[ArcticCrusher]

46 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

Yes these people do not have a lunch room or break room other than the park they are in, are you not okay with breaks and lunch time?

What can't go to Tims for lunch?  What do they do when they have to pee, go behind a tree?

 

Maybe there boss should have pulled a Branson.

 

http://time.com/4362228/richard-branson-sleeping-employee-photo/

[02sled]

3 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

I agree you have no idea really what it takes or any idea of safety laws.   Call the city and complain.  Make your long list of things that are not done correctly according to you.

You complain when they clear snow from your street, there is no end to your hatred of workers

Fail you are as usual wrong again. 7 people to plant a tree has absolutely nothing to do with safety. It is all to do with union BS about things like a truck driver is only a truck driver and can't do anything else. As for safety knowledge I would put money on my knowledge of the Occupational Health and Safety Act regulations up against yours. It just so happens I am certified level 1 and level 2 for Ontario Occupational Health and Safety Act and also certified for the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Association.

So genius... justify 7 people to plant a tree based on safety... this shood be good.

You would probably have 2 people to sharpen a pencil... one to hold the pencil and the other to turn the crank. You can't use an electric pencil sharpener since that would impact the job of the union guy that is to turn the crank.

I don't have a hatred of workers. I just have a distaste for lazy workers who are grossly over paid and complain about how tough they have it and the city PISSING AWAY MONEY NEEDLESSLY.

As for clearing the snow... the bylaws says the home owner has to clear the sidewalk in front of their home within I believe 24 hours of a snow fall which people do when they clear the driveway. Then the stupidity of the city continues when two or three days later they send a guy down the sidewalk to clear the snow that isn't there.... Why? Because the union says they have to keep the grass cutter employed year round.

Edited November 3, 2016 by 02sled

[1trailmaker]

43 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

What can't go to Tims for lunch?  What do they do when they have to pee, go behind a tree?

 

Maybe there boss should have pulled a Branson.

 

http://time.com/4362228/richard-branson-sleeping-employee-photo/

They get reported for going to Tims. They get reported for going to use a washroom, they get reported for everything all the time without proof of anything

No different than people complaining about cops sitting in a Tim's lot.

People like yourself that post pics and assume they are just sleeping away the day without any proof what so ever.  Happens everyday

[1trailmaker]

41 minutes ago, 02sled said:

Fail you are as usual wrong again. 7 people to plant a tree has absolutely nothing to do with safety. It is all to do with union BS about things like a truck driver is only a truck driver and can't do anything else. As for safety knowledge I would put money on my knowledge of the Occupational Health and Safety Act regulations up against yours. It just so happens I am certified level 1 and level 2 for Ontario Occupational Health and Safety Act and also certified for the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Association.

So genius... justify 7 people to plant a tree based on safety... this shood be good.

You would probably have 2 people to sharpen a pencil... one to hold the pencil and the other to turn the crank. You can't use an electric pencil sharpener since that would impact the job of the union guy that is to turn the crank.

I don't have a hatred of workers. I just have a distaste for lazy workers who are grossly over paid and complain about how tough they have it and the city PISSING AWAY MONEY NEEDLESSLY.

As for clearing the snow... the bylaws says the home owner has to clear the sidewalk in front of their home within I believe 24 hours of a snow fall which people do when they clear the driveway. Then the stupidity of the city continues when two or three days later they send a guy down the sidewalk to clear the snow that isn't there.... Why? Because the union says they have to keep the grass cutter employed year round.

I know 0tool you are the guy that says a city worker driving a bobcat is a 12$ hour job but driving one on a construction site is 25$ an hour.  I will stick with the statement you have no clue what this group has done  once they left the yard in the morning, you assume 7 people headed to your street to plant a tree then had a nap.

 

[02sled]

7 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

I know 0tool you are the guy that says a city worker driving a bobcat is a 12$ hour job but driving one on a construction site is 25$ an hour.  I will stick with the statement you have no clue what this group has done  once they left the yard in the morning, you assume 7 people headed to your street to plant a tree then had a nap.

 

Wrong again Fail... they started in the morning and planted at least 20 trees on one side of the street and I see there are also new trees on the next block over. I'm still waiting for you to justify the safety need for 7 people... as if that will ever happen since you're blowing hot air as usual. I'm also waiting for you to explain the logic and the safety aspect behind picking up the tree with a boom twice rather than once and not digging the hole before the tree arrives.

It's all about keeping 5 extra people needlessly employed. Admit it.... unions promote mediocrity.... do just enough work to stay employed and not enough to make your colleagues look bad for doing just enough.

[ArcticCrusher]

22 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

They get reported for going to Tims. They get reported for going to use a washroom, they get reported for everything all the time without proof of anything

No different than people complaining about cops sitting in a Tim's lot.

People like yourself that post pics and assume they are just sleeping away the day without any proof what so ever.  Happens everyday

Reported for going to Tims?  By who?  Its nobodies fucking business where they go for lunch or break.  Now if they happen to take a 2 hour lunch or a one hour break, then that might be a different story.  But then raises the question, who are you to know that?

 

The pic was a joke and I do not know if the guy was laying there for 2 mins or 2 hours.

However if it was 2 hours, you should see the issue and not helping the stereotype.

[1trailmaker]

7 minutes ago, 02sled said:

Wrong again Fail... they started in the morning and planted at least 20 trees on one side of the street and I see there are also new trees on the next block over. I'm still waiting for you to justify the safety need for 7 people... as if that will ever happen since you're blowing hot air as usual. I'm also waiting for you to explain the logic and the safety aspect behind picking up the tree with a boom twice rather than once and not digging the hole before the tree arrives.

It's all about keeping 5 extra people needlessly employed. Admit it.... unions promote mediocrity.... do just enough work to stay employed and not enough to make your colleagues look bad for doing just enough.

no clue

[1trailmaker]

1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Reported for going to Tims?  By who?  Its nobodies fucking business where they go for lunch or break.  Now if they happen to take a 2 hour lunch or a one hour break, then that might be a different story.  But then raises the question, who are you to know that?

 

The pic was a joke and I do not know if the guy was laying there for 2 mins or 2 hours.

However if it was 2 hours, you should see the issue and not helping the stereotype.

People report city workers everyday just because they think they are their boss.  If you are at Tims you are slacking period.  Once reported their boss will tell them not to go there anymore and in most cases do nothing else because they knew it was their lunch.

[ArcticCrusher]

1 minute ago, 1trailmaker said:

People report city workers everyday just because they think they are their boss.  If you are at Tims you are slacking period.  Once reported their boss will tell them not to go there anymore and in most cases do nothing else because they knew it was their lunch.

They have my permission to flip them the bird then, it not their business.  So where are the pics of the city workers having a soup and sandwich during lunch time that has enraged the public?  

There tends to be a few city/public sector employees (even cops) at the local Tim's I most frequent, seems to be pretty calm.

[02sled]

17 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

no clue

C'mon Fail... you said it was a safety thing to have 7 people to plant a tree and that I know nothing about safety. Let's hear the safety aspect that requires that many people? Oh that's right there isn't one. It can be done safely with two. Admit it. You encourage and support the stupidity of 7 people doing the job that can be done by 2.

[Blackstar]

33 minutes ago, 02sled said:

C'mon Fail... you said it was a safety thing to have 7 people to plant a tree and that I know nothing about safety. Let's hear the safety aspect that requires that many people? Oh that's right there isn't one. It can be done safely with two. Admit it. You encourage and support the stupidity of 7 people doing the job that can be done by 2.

Not that I wish to defend Trail but....

The safety in 3 is that 2 are to watch each other while the work is done. The third guy in the truck is responsible to watch traffic. So I am told by my buddy who works for the local region. He has been reprimanded a couple of times for not working with a third when near a roadway.

[02sled]

26 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Not that I wish to defend Trail but....

The safety in 3 is that 2 are to watch each other while the work is done. The third guy in the truck is responsible to watch traffic. So I am told by my buddy who works for the local region. He has been reprimanded a couple of times for not working with a third when near a roadway.

The 3rd guy in the truck never gets out and the other two get out of the passenger side of the truck and step directly onto the grass boulevard between the curb and the sidewalk. Nobody is going to hit these two and that still doesn't account for the 7 people.

Devils advocate.... you see a cop standing in the middle of an intersection directing traffic or stepping out into traffic to stop a person caught on radar.... where is their extra person looking out for traffic to make sure they don't get run down.

Edited November 3, 2016 by 02sled

[ArcticCrusher]

35 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Not that I wish to defend Trail but....

The safety in 3 is that 2 are to watch each other while the work is done. The third guy in the truck is responsible to watch traffic. So I am told by my buddy who works for the local region. He has been reprimanded a couple of times for not working with a third when near a roadway.

 

So what you are saying is Wrong Again Trail might actually be correct?

 

You know he is going against tough odds, 02 claims to be certified level 1 and level 2 for Ontario Occupational Health and Safety Act and also certified for the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Association.  That is a hard act to follow.  Perhaps your buddy needs retraining?

[1trailmaker]

11 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

 

So what you are saying is Wrong Again Trail might actually be correct?

 

You know he is going against tough odds, 02 claims to be certified level 1 and level 2 for Ontario Occupational Health and Safety Act and also certified for the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Association.  That is a hard act to follow.  Perhaps your buddy needs retraining?

Not to rain on 02sled self back patting but Level 1 and 2 JOHSA is like a 4 day session, you learn next to nothing other than 'this is the manual and this is how you read it" " this is a form and this is how you fill it out" 

he claims level 2 so he knows all about everything, well you learn your environment and his is an office building a far cry from what construction would be in this case.  So he learned about filling out maybe an air quality form and not much more.

ASk me how I know no really don't ask

[ArcticCrusher]

22 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

Not to rain on 02sled self back patting but Level 1 and 2 JOHSA is like a 4 day session, you learn next to nothing other than 'this is the manual and this is how you read it" " this is a form and this is how you fill it out" 

he claims level 2 so he knows all about everything, well you learn your environment and his is an office building a far cry from what construction would be in this case.  So he learned about filling out maybe an air quality form and not much more.

ASk me how I know no really don't ask

You just know I gotta ask.

[Blackstar]

40 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

 

So what you are saying is Wrong Again Trail might actually be correct?

 

You know he is going against tough odds, 02 claims to be certified level 1 and level 2 for Ontario Occupational Health and Safety Act and also certified for the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Association.  That is a hard act to follow.  Perhaps your buddy needs retraining?

My buddy is chain saw certified. One day his station gets a call to meet 3 guys from another station to clean up a downed tree on the side of the highway because they don't have anyone certified to do the cutting. My buddy and another worker throw the tools in a truck and head to the location. The other 3 aren't there yet but my buddy grabs a saw and him and the other guy cut the tree up and move it to the side of the road. The other 3 show up 45 minutes late all carrying coffees from Tim's. My buddy is steaming when they show and says where the fuck did you dog fuckers get Tim's between here and your shop? (understand that these are rural stations they work from, not a Tim's for miles)

Bunch of bickering back and forth.... My buddy says "The cutting is done, you fucks can clean up."

The next day my buddy gets pulled in to the office and is reprimanded for not have a 3rd man their to watch traffic. Next time he is to wait until help arrives.

My buddy works contracts for the Region, Nov-April. Tons of union bullshit. He'd love to give it up but the pay is just too good. Last he told me he was making $27/hr plus shift bonus and lead man bonus. He's a truck driver/equipment operator.

[ArcticCrusher]

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

My buddy is chain saw certified. One day his station gets a call to meet 3 guys from another station to clean up a downed tree on the side of the highway because they don't have anyone certified to do the cutting. My buddy and another worker throw the tools in a truck and head to the location. The other 3 aren't there yet but my buddy grabs a saw and him and the other guy cut the tree up and move it to the side of the road. The other 3 show up 45 minutes late all carrying coffees from Tim's. My buddy is steaming when they show and says where the fuck did you dog fuckers get Tim's between here and your shop? (understand that these are rural stations they work from, not a Tim's for miles)

Bunch of bickering back and forth.... My buddy says "The cutting is done, you fucks can clean up."

The next day my buddy gets pulled in to the office and is reprimanded for not have a 3rd man their to watch traffic. Next time he is to wait until help arrives.

My buddy works contracts for the Region, Nov-April. Tons of union bullshit. He'd love to give it up but the pay is just too good. Last he told me he was making $27/hr plus shift bonus and lead man bonus. He's a truck driver/equipment operator.

Well I can say what it is like to work for municipalities as I did that years ago (>20) for a previous employer.  I did the automation for many water and waste water treatment systems back then throughout Ontario.  They were fixed bid contracts for the most part and in the end the owner was lucky to make 8% (before expenses) on the project, but it kept people employed during slow periods for the main business focus, ie the private sector that had nothing to do with WWTP's.

Can't say I have ever looked back on that.  I even remember trying to commission bringing systems online and having to work around the regions staff schedules.  "Sorry we can't bring the AE1 and AE2 aeration tanks online cause we have a meeting, maybe next week", and these are engineers.

 

The one I did that is likely closest to you would be the Galt Wastewater plant on Hespler in Cambridge, back in 95.  That took almost a year to commission.

[02sled]

2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

 

So what you are saying is Wrong Again Trail might actually be correct?

 

You know he is going against tough odds, 02 claims to be certified level 1 and level 2 for Ontario Occupational Health and Safety Act and also certified for the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Association.  That is a hard act to follow.  Perhaps your buddy needs retraining?

If there was traffic for them to look out for and the driver actually got out and did watch for traffic I would maybe buy into that rationale for 3 people. The reality is they never set foot on the road. Have one very big truck with a power boom between them standing on the grass boulevard and the road. Still can't justify 7 people. OHSA has regulations about work alone and work in confined space but there isn't anything in the act to say that two people would need a 3rd lookout in a situation like this. If there is some requirement it's going to be a union thing.

[revrnd]

4 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Reported for going to Tims?  By who?  Its nobodies fucking business where they go for lunch or break.  Now if they happen to take a 2 hour lunch or a one hour break, then that might be a different story.  But then raises the question, who are you to know that?

 

The pic was a joke and I do not know if the guy was laying there for 2 mins or 2 hours.

However if it was 2 hours, you should see the issue and not helping the stereotype.

There was a controversy in Lindsay last winter or the year before. Someone squawked on Faceplant about seeing a municipal truck @ a McDee's. Pics were posted & all sorts of crap was posted online. Works Dept head said the employee had stopped for a coffee/washroom break during the night shift. GPS records showed the truck was stationary for only a short period of time. End of outrage. 

[Sksman]

safety is forever changing due to the number of accidents that are occurring.  Some crews use that as an excuse to work slower or due less.

 

4 weeks ago stolen white BMW speeding / fleeing from police ran through an Endbridge construction site killing a young man and father of 3 young children.  Endbridge has huge safety program.  Risk assessment for future projects now has to address a potential catastrophic injury.

Now there are 2 pay duty police cars sitting at corner of Yonge and Henderson while workers working on Endbridge site occupying a lane of road.  Is it because of lane closure or increase in safety after incident above?

 

 

 

[ArcticCrusher]

9 hours ago, revrnd said:

There was a controversy in Lindsay last winter or the year before. Someone squawked on Faceplant about seeing a municipal truck @ a McDee's. Pics were posted & all sorts of crap was posted online. Works Dept head said the employee had stopped for a coffee/washroom break during the night shift. GPS records showed the truck was stationary for only a short period of time. End of outrage. 

 

Sound like a dumb useless high maintenance stay at home who probably has one or two nannies who feels she is paying for them.  These guys work in service, so if you see their trucks out and about, they are actually doing something, so you can't really complain unless the workmanship is poor.  Its the ones who are stationed at home base for three hours who are not, but nobody will ever question that cause the trucks are parked at the office, there work is 100% in the field.

Now that does not mean they are working at a good pace, but so long as they are breathing,  its still called working.