jtssrx Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, SSFB said: No, actually it helps the argument in favor of gravity, not against it. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted November 16, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, SSFB said: No, actually it helps prove gravity as well. Nope! Helium is magic, it has nothing to do with density caused my gravitational forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, jtssrx said: How so? Because if gravity didn't exist then there would be no reason for the balloon to go up. The air inside the balloon is lighter than the air around it. Those forces are dictated by gravity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, Kivalo said: Nope! Helium is magic, it has nothing to do with density caused my gravitational forces. Let me get this strait gravity causes Density? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, SSFB said: Because if gravity didn't exist then there would be no reason for the balloon to go up. The air inside the balloon is lighter than the air around it. Those forces are dictated by gravity. Wrong Density no gravity is what causes the balloon to rise. Just a a ball filled with air being held under water being forced to the surface as the air is lighter then the water you are holding it under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) Think about this. Gravity is so magical and so strong holds everything to the surface of the earth including the oceans yet so weak it that a NAT can fly. Edited November 16, 2017 by jtssrx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted November 16, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 minute ago, jtssrx said: Let me get this strait gravity causes Density? Nope but it sure influences it. If Earth's atmosphere was entirely helium, would the bottom layer be more dense then the top most no layer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, Kivalo said: Nope but it sure influences it. If Earth's atmosphere was entirely helium, would the bottom layer be more dense then the top most no layer? one would have to believe in gravity and that gravity affects density to answer your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Let me get this strait gravity causes Density? All objects have a gravitational field that is created by their density and mass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Think about this. Gravity is so magical and so strong holds everything to the surface of the earth including the oceans yet so weak it that a NAT can fly. An ocean is made up of a quadrillion water particles which bond together. Comparing that to a gnat is ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 16, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Wrong Density no gravity is what causes the balloon to rise. Just a a ball filled with air being held under water being forced to the surface as the air is lighter then the water you are holding it under. Explain why we can simulate zero gravity in flight. Damn have you ever ridden on a roller coaster? Do you feel the same at the top of an arc as the bottom? If gravity didn't exist the feeling would be the same. Changing directions up to down cancels out the "pull" while down to up adds to it. As the plane goes over the top of the arc, the centrifugal force exerted on the plane and everything in it cancels out the gravitational force pulling downwards. At this point, passengers experience microgravity -- it feels as if you are weightless because only negligible gravitational forces are present. The sense of weightlessness lasts for about 30 seconds. Because the plane shields the passengers from the rush of air, they can experience a free fall without the interference of air resistance. Edited November 16, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Wrong Density no gravity is what causes the balloon to rise. Just a a ball filled with air being held under water being forced to the surface as the air is lighter then the water you are holding it under. An object's density and its gravitational field are deeply intertwined and you're trying to separate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeeAgain Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 56 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Think about this. Gravity is so magical and so strong holds everything to the surface of the earth including the oceans yet so weak it that a NAT can fly. Gravity is actually considered a very weak force. It's just that it increases based on mass. It takes very little for a gnat to fly as it has very little mass. The very fact you can't even spell gnat says a lot about your silly notions. I'm not trying to be mean or insulting, but a little education does help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted November 16, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, jtssrx said: one would have to believe in gravity and that gravity affects density to answer your question. In other words...gravity exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 59 minutes ago, SSFB said: All objects have a gravitational field that is created by their density and mass. Without it you would be driving 600 yard par 5's with a 7 iron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 minute ago, jammin said: Without it you would be driving 600 yard par 5's with a 7 iron. Tremendous 7 Irons!!!!!! 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 13 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: Actually he lives in South America, his response to you is below Weather must be good there as he would be 128 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, s pump said: Weather must be good there as he would be 128 years old Yeah but he's part of the master race!!!!!!!!11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) Most of the flat earth stuff I looked into was really kooky but I did fund some of actual scientific theories that are compelling enough everybody with an open mind should at least think about it. First thing is they don’t think the earth is “flat”. Basically the part of “earth” we live on is just the dome of what is a round or oval planet that we can’t access past Antarctica. The map they use is pretty cool too. Basically the North Pole is our center and Antarctica wraps around the bottom of our “world”. I’m not saying it’s real or not real, but some of you that ridicule it should ask yourself why you’re so certain our earth is “round”. Make up your own minds after pontificating everything you mentally can. Edited November 17, 2017 by bussman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, bussman said: Most of the flat earth stuff I looked into was really kooky but I did fund some of actual scientific theories that are compelling enough everybody with an open mind should at least think about it. First thing is they don’t think the earth is “flat”. Basically the part of “earth” we live on is just the dome of what is a round or oval planet that we can’t access past Antarctica. The map they use is pretty cool too. Basically the North Pole is our center and Antarctica wraps around the bottom of our “world”. I’m not saying it’s real or not real, but some of you that ridicule it should ask yourself why you’re so certain our earth is “round”. Make up your own minds after pontificating everything you mentally can. There's not a single scientific theory which supports flat earth, what have you been reading? Every other celestial body that we know about is round. There's zero evidence to suggest that there is any celestial body which is not round, so it stands to reason that this one would be round. Really zero reason to think this one wouldn't be round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 5 hours ago, jtssrx said: You can place a pot on a stove, fill it with water, Turn on the stove and once the water reaches 212 degrees it will boil. This is a repeatable experiment that you can demonstrate that over and over again. The Reason Neal Degrass Tyson Explains gravity the way he does is gravity can't be demonstrated. They are guessing the gravity exists based on a theory. A Theory Nicola Tesla stated was complete BULLSHIT, and Eisenstein Himself agreed Tesla may very well be correct. Eisenstein? Is that a bagel shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, SSFB said: There's not a single scientific theory which supports flat earth, what have you been reading? It's obviously round, because every other celestial body that we know about is also round. There's zero evidence to suggest that there is any celestial body which is not round. Really zero reason to think this one wouldn't be round. It is round, just the part we live on is the dome of it. Something called the firmament I think it’s called keeps us from accessing it further. Basically our satellites orbit that edge. Think of the orbit like a halo around the top of a person’s head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, bussman said: It is round, just the part we live on is the dome of it. Something called the firmament I think it’s called keeps us from accessing it further. Basically our satellites orbit that edge. Think of the orbit like a halo around the top of a person’s head. None of what you're talking about is new to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted November 17, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, bussman said: It is round, just the part we live on is the dome of it. Something called the firmament I think it’s called keeps us from accessing it further. Basically our satellites orbit that edge. Think of the orbit like a halo around the top of a person’s head. Thats only because your head is so big you probably have satellites orbiting your bald spot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 The United Nations seal supposedly is the map. lol I find this stuff cool, knowledge and understanding didn’t somehow peak in 2017. Imagine how much we don’t know yet. Maybe a part of this is true in that it enhances a round earth in a greater way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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