MiSledder Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 38 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Yes of course. Would you? Why would I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, MiSledder said: Why would I? Why wouldn't you? The satisfaction of doing a good job, contribution to human society, mastery of a skill or trade, etc. There are much higher motivations to ply your skills and pursue your interests than threat of poverty and death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Why wouldn't you? The satisfaction of doing a good job, contribution to human society, mastery of a skill or trade, etc. There are much higher motivations to ply your skills and pursue your interests than threat of poverty and death. you actually think thats how everyone thinks? What about the deadbeats of the world? You gonna let them suckle from your teet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Why wouldn't you? The satisfaction of doing a good job, contribution to human society, mastery of a skill or trade, etc. There are much higher motivations to ply your skills and pursue your interests than threat of poverty and death. How Zen of you , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: you actually think thats how everyone thinks? What about the deadbeats of the world? You gonna let them suckle from your teet? Yes, I do. I also think a lot of people's potential, creativity, and drive is stifled by capitalism and 'deadbeats' are largely victims of the inequities created and magnified by capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted November 9, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Yes, I do. I also think a lot of people's potential, creativity, and drive is stifled by capitalism and 'deadbeats' are largely victims of the inequities created and magnified by capitalism. What a load of tripe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: What a load of tripe. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 11 hours ago, motonoggin said: Yes, I do. I also think a lot of people's potential, creativity, and drive is stifled by capitalism and 'deadbeats' are largely victims of the inequities created and magnified by capitalism. Perfect! thanks thats all I was looking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 minute ago, MiSledder said: Perfect! thanks thats all I was looking for And this is a perfect example of how toxic fascism is. The entire ideology is based on the idea that *some* people are inferior and undeserving of life and liberty. Of course, faacism also says those same undeserving people are the cause of all of society's problems. This is exactly what leads to gas chambers and concentration camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 If you ever wondered how the Nazis did what they did, you're looking at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 11 hours ago, motonoggin said: Yes, I do. I also think a lot of people's potential, creativity, and drive is stifled by capitalism and 'deadbeats' are largely victims of the inequities created and magnified by capitalism. No fooling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Dont get pouty because your ideology completely relies on all human nature to give up their instinctly and buy into a fairytale so you can pursue your dreams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 11 hours ago, motonoggin said: Yes, I do. I also think a lot of people's potential, creativity, and drive is stifled by capitalism and 'deadbeats' are largely victims of the inequities created and magnified by capitalism. Holy cow man. You need to do some more sociology and psychology studies, cuz you are dead wrong there. There will always be subsets of the population who don't have the skills or motivation to better themselves. So this notion that eliminating "oppressive capitalism" is somehow going to get some of these people off their ass is lunacy. Take an addiction, any addiction, how does your system square with say, a drug addict hooked on crack or opiods? I'll never say capitalism is perfect, we have far too much corruption right now, but it has lifted more people out of poverty and into prosperity than any system in the history of man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, MiSledder said: Dont get pouty because your ideology completely relies on all human nature to give up their instinctly and buy into a fairytale so you can pursue your dreams Capitalism is not human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Capitalism is not human nature. Sure it is. Friedman explains it brilliantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: Holy cow man. You need to do some more sociology and psychology studies, cuz you are dead wrong there. There will always be subsets of the population who don't have the skills or motivation to better themselves. So this notion that eliminating "oppressive capitalism" is somehow going to get some of these people off their ass is lunacy. Take an addiction, any addiction, how does your system square with say, a drug addict hooked on crack or opiods? I'll never say capitalism is perfect, we have far too much corruption right now, but it has lifted more people out of poverty and into prosperity than any system in the history of man. The proliferation of drugs has been at the hands of capitalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: Sure it is. Friedman explains it brilliantly. No, he doesn't. All he does is attempt to provide a superior moral justification for selfishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 9, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Oh no you mean the big bad boss makes them work 14% of their week? What a horrible broken down system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Oh no you mean the big bad boss makes them work 14% of their week? What a horrible broken down system. 14%? Lol. Only a capitalist would think that almost half your waking life = 14%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Capitalism is not human nature. Actually, it kinda is. 12 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I still can't figure out why so many of you (or really..so few) are so convinced you have to live in this system. You don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 9, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: 14%? Lol. Only a capitalist would think that almost half your waking life = 14%. Okay. I'll take out sleep and vaca/holiday/sick days. 365x24=8760 Take out sleep for 48 weeks. 7 x 336 = 2352 Total work 48 weeks (3 vaca 1 holidays) 48x24=8064 40 x 48 = 1920 8064-2352=5712/1920= 33.6% of the year you work. Good lord we are slavers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 28 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I am sorry, but this comic is just so far out to lunch. How did capitalism exist before TV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 16 minutes ago, Highmark said: Okay. I'll take out sleep and vaca/holiday/sick days. 365x24=8760 Take out sleep for 48 weeks. 7 x 336 = 2352 Total work 48 weeks (3 vaca 1 holidays) 48x24=8064 40 x 48 = 1920 8064-2352=5712/1920= 33.6% of the year you work. Good lord we are slavers. Give me a third of your life or starve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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