Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: And likewise for private insurance, wherein we have decades of payment costs. Neal My point is the vast, vast majority of the cost is in the care itself. Other countries control what doctors, nurses, lab tech's basically everyone in the industry makes by controlling what is paid out or they are employed by the govt itself. If you want that in America fine, I don't. I want to find ways to bring down costs in other ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: My point is the vast, vast majority of the cost is in the care itself. Other countries control what doctors, nurses, lab tech's basically everyone in the industry makes by controlling what is paid out or they are employed by the govt itself. If you want that in America fine, I don't. I want to find ways to bring down costs in other ways. I want the ability for our country to provide excellent care to all it's citizens. I want a system that's affordable, and just. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I want the ability for our country to provide excellent care to all it's citizens. I want a system that's affordable, and just. Neal As do I, I just don't want the govt controlling my care anymore than they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, SnowRider said: Send the bill to the NRA..... Can we send the bill for illegal immigrants and their incarceration cost to the DNC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Highmark said: As do I, I just don't want the govt controlling my care anymore than they do now. Explain. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Explain. Neal Remove HCI regulations. Allow interstate pools to get larger groups negotiating better deals. Same groups should be allowed to negotiate drugs. People have to feel they have some skin in the game. Obamacare taxed so called Cadillac plans because they said they were too good and people abused them by going to the doctor too much. I find that hilarious considering what happens under a single payer system that carries no deductible for everyone in the country. I'm not opposed to forcing everyone to carry some type of insurance. What I oppose is the govt controlling/running it or forcing certain types of HCI on people that don't need some types of coverage. Making people in their 50's pay for maternity care is nuts. Making homosexual male couples pay for its nuts as well. The mandatory coverage should be for catastrophic care only and the fine/tax should be equal to the cost of the care. Not some slap on the wrist that allows them to jump in when they get sick with no other penalty. Obamacare was a failure because too many people didn't sign up because the plans were too comprehensive and it snowballed into the insurance costing people way to much....even those who needed it most. In essence, allow more choice, allow more competition and there should be a benefit to living healthy and a cost to not living healthy, not one size fits all. Edited October 25, 2017 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: Remove HCI regulations. Allow interstate pools to get larger groups negotiating better deals. Same groups should be allowed to negotiate drugs. People have to feel they have some skin in the game. Obamacare taxed so called Cadillac plans because they said they were too good and people abused them by going to the doctor too much. I find that hilarious considering what happens under a single payer system that carries no deductible for everyone in the country. I'm not opposed to forcing everyone to carry some type of insurance. What I oppose is the govt controlling/running it or forcing certain types of HCI on people that don't need some types of coverage. Making people in their 50's pay for maternity care is nuts. Making homosexual male couples pay for its nuts as well. The mandatory coverage should be for catastrophic care only and the fine/tax should be equal to the cost of the care. Not some slap on the wrist that allows them to jump in when they get sick with no other penalty. Obamacare was a failure because too many people didn't sign up because the plans were too comprehensive and it snowballed into the insurance costing people way to much....even those who needed it most. In essence, allow more choice, allow more competition and there should be a benefit to living healthy and a cost to not living healthy, not one size fits all. So make unregulated HCI conglomerations, who will dictate our health care. Fantastic! What a fucking idiotic joke. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: So make unregulated HCI conglomerations, who will dictate our health care. Fantastic! What a fucking idiotic joke. Neal Yes because single payer federal govt controlled insurance deciding who gets what care and when would be like a mom and pop ran company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yes because single payer federal govt controlled insurance deciding who gets what care and when would be like a mom and pop ran company. So your system ends up exactly the same as single payer. Laughable. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: So your system ends up exactly the same as single payer. Laughable. Neal Jesus dude nothing of the sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Highmark said: Not one person in this country would have been denied that care. Both were considered life threatening. You are joking with this Shit right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieselgeek Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Highmark said: My private insurance is incredible. Not one single complaint and had two major health issues with kids in the past 6 years. One son had a benign tumor removed from his vertebrae/spine (look up Osteoblastoma) and the other had a severe clot from thoracic outlet syndrome spent a week in intensive care and had his first rib removed to prevent further occurrences. Between the 2 over $500K in medical bills of which we were responsible for $1400 TOTAL. I’m in the hospital in Boston currently after having my rib removed for Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Had the right side removed last year. Edited October 25, 2017 by Dieselgeek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dieselgeek said: I’m in the hospital in Boston currently after having my rib removed for Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Had the right side removed last year. Damn dude...here's to a speedy recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Highmark said: My private insurance is incredible. Not one single complaint and had two major health issues with kids in the past 6 years. One son had a benign tumor removed from his vertebrae/spine (look up Osteoblastoma) and the other had a severe clot from thoracic outlet syndrome spent a week in intensive care and had his first rib removed to prevent further occurrences. Between the 2 over $500K in medical bills of which we were responsible for $1400 TOTAL. well good for you but that is not the norm for many people in this country where in the rest of the first world countries that type of care is available to all without placing unfair burdens on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 5 hours ago, SnowRider said: Why are other countries with better healthcare on average able to cover everyone for 1/3-1/2 the cost per captita? 5 hours ago, Highmark said: I'll let you list why single payer will reduce costs then I'll counter with why they won't....at least to the extent "other countries" pay. Go... In other countries everyone is covered - prevention is cheaper than waiting. Governments negotiate prices with Pharma and insurance and in some cases set prices. It works. The shit yunjust explained makes no sense - just like most of your opinions. UHC/Single payer is proven to be better in average for a fraction of the cost. Where has you fucked up idea been proven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieselgeek Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Biggie Smails said: Damn dude...here's to a speedy recovery. Thanks! I had surgery Thursday the 19th, discharged on the 21st. Came for a follow up on the 23rd, and was told I had a collapsed lung. So re-admitted, chest tube put in, and lung is inflated again. Risk of surgery unfortunately. I’ve been away from my family for 7 days now. Should be cleared to fly Friday night or Saturday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Highmark said: My private insurance is incredible. Not one single complaint and had two major health issues with kids in the past 6 years. One son had a benign tumor removed from his vertebrae/spine (look up Osteoblastoma) and the other had a severe clot from thoracic outlet syndrome spent a week in intensive care and had his first rib removed to prevent further occurrences. Between the 2 over $500K in medical bills of which we were responsible for $1400 TOTAL. Amd you have the audacity to complain about insurance premiums/rates....?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 44 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: You are joking with this Shit right? Nope. My uncle had an aggressive malignant brain tumor years ago. Self employed never had ANY health insurance. He had multiple surgeries and treatments including a chemo wafer put in the location of the tumor. Never lost anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just now, SnowRider said: Amd you have the audacity to complain about insurance premiums/rates....?? I've not been one to complain much about my rates when I hear what others pay. I've ALWAYS said my insurance is EXCELLENT. Why do you think I don't want single payer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Nope. My uncle had an aggressive malignant brain tumor years ago. Self employed never had ANY health insurance. He had multiple surgeries and treatments including a chemo wafer put in the location of the tumor. Never lost anything. How did he pay for it? Edited October 25, 2017 by SnowRider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Dieselgeek said: I’m in the hospital in Boston currently after having my rib removed for Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Had the right side removed last year. Good luck. The surgery wasn't nearly the scare the blood clot was. Lots of MLB players are going thru this. Some just pinching a nerve other the artery or vein like my son. Matt Harvey is probably the most prominent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Nope. My uncle had an aggressive malignant brain tumor years ago. Self employed never had ANY health insurance. He had multiple surgeries and treatments including a chemo wafer put in the location of the tumor. Never lost anything. 1 minute ago, SnowRider said: How did he pay for it? Yeah I'd like to hear this one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SnowRider said: How did he pay for it? I have no clue. I'm guessing it was adsorbed and passed on just like everyone else who can't pay. He was a self employed general carpenter that I don't think made a ton of money. Its possible they got him on Medicaid. His sister (my aunt) worked in a hospital and was doing all the financial work. Only think I know is that the guy didn't have any insurance. Edited October 25, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: I have no clue. I'm guessing it was adsorbed and passed on just like everyone else who can't pay. He was a self employed general carpenter that I don't think made a ton of money. Its possible they got him on Medicaid. Yeah that isn't how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 25, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just now, Biggie Smails said: Yeah that isn't how it works. Well unless his sister pulled some other magic strings I'm telling you what happened. The family was starting to try and raise money thru fundraisers and what not but nothing could touch these size bills and he was very well taken care of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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