VARNEY: America’s wealth has gone up more than $5 trillion since the election

[f7ben]

Just now, motonoggin said:

I will remind you that communism is classless and stateless, as is anarchism. 

but the group is too large and must be governed centrally 

[motonoggin]

Just now, f7ben said:

But we see this behavior across all demographics and economic circumstances....a certain amount of people are unable to overcome the urge to act unethically and prey on those who are disadvantaged. We see this in so many different circumstances its impossible to deny or assign the blame to anything of recent construct

You see us fighting over the scraps from master's table, which is exactly what we've been doing, and what master wants us to do. That way we don't think about how master has more than enough for us all and himself. 

[bussman]

Just now, f7ben said:

but the group is too large and must be governed centrally 

It doesn't even work in reality with just a few hundred people. No need to go backwards, if we want to rid ourselves of a capitalist society we need something forward thinking and new, not regressive simpleton shit. 

[bussman]

2 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

You see us fighting over the scraps from master's table, which is exactly what we've been doing, and what master wants us to do. That way we don't think about how master has more than enough for us all and himself. 

Our poorest are 1 percenters globally. That's fact. 

Edited October 8, 2017 by bussman

[f7ben]

Just now, motonoggin said:

You see us fighting over the scraps from master's table, which is exactly what we've been doing, and what master wants us to do. That way we don't think about how master has more than enough for us all and himself. 

The reason I would subscribe to the ideals of anarchy is it still allows for autonomy of thinking.....the dispersion of individuals coalescing as groups based on how aligned their individual ideals are. If you disagree with the group or how you have decided to to achieve the group ideal you are free to move on and find others that think like you etc. In a national communist scheme there is still centralization of governance which lends itself to being hijacked the same way we are today

[motonoggin]

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

but the group is too large and must be governed centrally 

Not necessarily true, but absence of a state does not mean absence of a government or some other justified heirarchy instituted amongst the people through democratic means that provides some common service. 

[bussman]

2 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

You see us fighting over the scraps from master's table, which is exactly what we've been doing, and what master wants us to do. That way we don't think about how master has more than enough for us all and himself. 

You just described communism in it's realistic form, only it's 1000% worse for the poor. 

 

Yeah, let's make everybody equally poor. Fuck that. 

[f7ben]

1 minute ago, bussman said:

It doesn't even work in reality with just a few hundred people. No need to go backwards, if we want to rid ourselves of a capitalist society we need something forward thinking and new, not regressive simpleton shit. 

Absolutely ....but what really must happen is evolution if humanity. Unless we evolve past out petty obsessions with greed and lust and all of the other things that currently define out impulse we will never achieve any enlightened progression to a more civilized status. Fortunately I believe we are evolving .....however I also happen to believe that AI renders this whole discussion moot

[bussman]

2 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Not necessarily true, but absence of a state does not mean absence of a government or some other justified heirarchy instituted amongst the people through democratic means that provides some common service. 

So what happens when you're invaded? 

Edited October 8, 2017 by bussman

[f7ben]

1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

Not necessarily true, but absence of a state does not mean absence of a government or some other justified heirarchy instituted amongst the people through democratic means that provides some common service. 

that in and of itself screams corruption and the will of the people being subverted. as soon as someone figures out how to get just a little bit more than the next guy it all goes to shit

[f7ben]

Just now, bussman said:

So what happens when your invaded? 

the nation rises up in common defense no different than we did when we have truly been threatened in the past

[bussman]

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

Absolutely ....but what really must happen is evolution if humanity. Unless we evolve past out petty obsessions with greed and lust and all of the other things that currently define out impulse we will never achieve any enlightened progression to a more civilized status. Fortunately I believe we are evolving .....however I also happen to believe that AI renders this whole discussion moot

Something is changing, that's for sure. 

[bussman]

Just now, f7ben said:

the nation rises up in common defense no different than we did when we have truly been threatened in the past

You don't rise up in defense. It's too late at that point. 

[f7ben]

Just now, bussman said:

Something is changing, that's for sure. 

You have to discount the 24 hour news cycle....there has never been a less violent time to be a part of the human condition 

[f7ben]

Just now, bussman said:

You don't rise up in defense. It's too late at that point. 

totally disagree

[motonoggin]

12 minutes ago, bussman said:

Our poorest are 1 percenters globally. That's fact. 

It's all relative, you know that

11 minutes ago, f7ben said:

The reason I would subscribe to the ideals of anarchy is it still allows for autonomy of thinking.....the dispersion of individuals coalescing as groups based on how aligned their individual ideals are. If you disagree with the group or how you have decided to to achieve the group ideal you are free to move on and find others that think like you etc. In a national communist scheme there is still centralization of governance which lends itself to being hijacked the same way we are today

Yes, free association is a binding principle of anarchism. I hold that as a pillar of ancom ideology.

I'm not advocating for a nation state. That would not be either anarchism or communism. If there is to be an heirarchy instituted amongst the people, the people at the bottom of that heirarchy get to decide, through democratic means, if the heirarchy's existence is necessary and justified. If it is not, then it shall be dismantled. 

 

Edited October 8, 2017 by motonoggin

[DriftBusta]

14 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Set it and forget it guys.  Lol.  Nobody cares about one year returns, but if your 3 to 5 are not in the top quartile, you might as well forget it.  Lol.

Top quartile?  Stevie wonder can do that. I have several really good models that test well north of the S+P index over the past 1-3-5-10 years, and north of 20% annually over the past 5.  Plus its loaded with div stocks spread among all economic sectors that you can flip a switch and kick off a nice income when you're ready.  Downside protection, actively managed mfs, indexed ETFs and fingers into many up and comer tech and healthcare stocks.  And I'm no Warren Buffet.  But i know more than 95% of the people who walk in my door, and 80% probably dont even understand what I just said.  

37 minutes ago, f7ben said:

I'm going to wait for the looming correction to take a massive bite out of the over inflated market....I dont trust the retard at the helm as far as I can throw him

I could show you data until the cows come home.  You're basing your investment strategy on emotion, not fundamentals.  I thought the market was peaked at 21k....wtf do I know?  What are your indicators that a correction is right around the corner, cuz this isn't 08-09.

[motonoggin]

5 minutes ago, bussman said:

So what happens when you're invaded? 

Communities will find it is wise to be well armed. But I find myself wondering why we would have to worry about that if we didn't operate under an exploitative system that caused war to begin with.

[DriftBusta]

9 minutes ago, bussman said:

It doesn't even work in reality with just a few hundred people. No need to go backwards, if we want to rid ourselves of a capitalist society we need something forward thinking and new, not regressive simpleton shit. 

I got a buddy who's kid has joined the hippy commune lifestyle out in Oregon.  Good kid, we all used to race motocross together, and he's on my FB.  But my god he's completely delusional.  He must smoke a giant joint for breakfast every morning and grew some killer zucchini's for his community this year.

[f7ben]

1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

 

Yes, free association is a binding principle of anarchism. I hold that as a pillar of ancom ideology.

I'm not advocating for a nation state. That would not be either anarchism or communism. If there is to be an heirarchy instituted amongst the people, the people at the bottom of that heirarchy get to decide, through democratic means, if the heirarchy's existence is necessary and justified. If it is not, then it shall be dismantled. 

 

But you would prefer that we transition as a nation to communism .....and that as a nation we would decide if a hierarchical set of governance would exist. This all lend itself to corruption of the system and the same place we are now

[NaturallyAspirated]

10 minutes ago, bussman said:

It doesn't even work in reality with just a few hundred people. No need to go backwards, if we want to rid ourselves of a capitalist society we need something forward thinking and new, not regressive simpleton shit. 

Having a binary option is indeed a dead end.  We must, and somewhat do, have a hybrid system where capitalism is limited by some socialist prongs.

Neal

[1jkw]

2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Top quartile?  Stevie wonder can do that. I have several really good models that test well north of the S+P index over the past 1-3-5-10 years, and north of 20% annually over the past 5.  Plus its loaded with div stocks spread among all economic sectors that you can flip a switch and kick off a nice income when you're ready.  Downside protection, actively managed mfs, indexed ETFs and fingers into many up and comer tech and healthcare stocks.  And I'm no Warren Buffet.  But i know more than 95% of the people who walk in my door, and 80% probably dont even understand what I just said.  

I could show you data until the cows come home.  You're basing your investment strategy on emotion, not fundamentals.  I thought the market was peaked at 21k....wtf do I know?  What are your indicators that a correction is right around the corner, cuz this isn't 08-09.

20% over the last 5, Thanks Obama.

[f7ben]

3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Top quartile?  Stevie wonder can do that. I have several really good models that test well north of the S+P index over the past 1-3-5-10 years, and north of 20% annually over the past 5.  Plus its loaded with div stocks spread among all economic sectors that you can flip a switch and kick off a nice income when you're ready.  Downside protection, actively managed mfs, indexed ETFs and fingers into many up and comer tech and healthcare stocks.  And I'm no Warren Buffet.  But i know more than 95% of the people who walk in my door, and 80% probably dont even understand what I just said.  

I could show you data until the cows come home.  You're basing your investment strategy on emotion, not fundamentals.  I thought the market was peaked at 21k....wtf do I know?  What are your indicators that a correction is right around the corner, cuz this isn't 08-09.

I'm basing it on the fact that we have a 125 years of data to prove what goes up must come down.....its cyclic and always has been. Its been a hell of a run and there are 1000 things that make me think this bubble pops

[motonoggin]

2 minutes ago, f7ben said:

But you would prefer that we transition as a nation to communism .....and that as a nation we would decide if a hierarchical set of governance would exist. This all lend itself to corruption of the system and the same place we are now

I see anarchism and communism as interchangeable. Communism doesn't necessitate a centralized government. 

I would prefer we transition as a race to communism. Doing it with old borders will be a disaster. 

[f7ben]

3 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

I see anarchism and communism as interchangeable. Communism doesn't necessitate a centralized government. 

I would prefer we transition as a race to communism. Doing it with old borders will be a disaster. 

Understood ...there is a lot to think about concerning this and someone much smarter and more benevolent that myself would have to come up with how it works