Momorider Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Tesla Car Batteries Not Remotely Green, Study Finds The car batteries used in a Tesla generate as much CO2 as driving a gasoline-powered car for eight years. And that’s before they even come off the production line. This news, from a study by the Swedish Environmental Research Institute, will no doubt delight all those U.S. taxpayers who have been forking out billions of dollars to prop up Tesla’s share price having been assured by their government that subsidizing overpriced electric cars represents a vital step towards “combatting climate change.” The report, commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency, cannot easily be dismissed because it is a meta-analysis (ie a summary) of all the available studies on the subject. The report shows that the battery manufacturing leads to high emissions. For every kilowatt hour of storage capacity in the battery generated emissions of 150 to 200 kilos of carbon dioxide already in the factory. The researchers did not study individual bilmärkens batteries, how these produced or the electricity mix they use. But if we understand the great importance of play battery take an example: Two common electric cars on the market, the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model S, the batteries about 30 kWh and 100 kWh. Even when buying the car has thus emissions occurred, corresponding to approximately 5.3 tons and 17.5 tons, the batteries of these sizes. The numbers can be difficult to relate to. As a comparison, a trip for one person round trip from Stockholm to New York by air causes the release of more than 600 kilograms of carbon dioxide, according to the UN organization ICAO calculation. Another conclusion of the study is that about half the emissions arising from the production of raw materials and half the production of the battery factory. The mining accounts for only a small proportion of between 10-20 percent. One of the authors, Mats-Ola Larsson at IVL, has made a calculation of how long you have to drive a petrol or diesel before it has released as much carbon dioxide as battery manufacturing has caused. The result was 2.7 years for a battery of the same size as the Nissan Leaf and 8.2 years for a battery of the Tesla-size. Truly the enduring mystery of why Tesla is now more highly valued than such non-Potemkin U.S. car manufacturers as Ford and General Motors grows more mysterious by the hour. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) Poor ICEMAN!. Edited June 21, 2017 by AKIQPilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Stop posting facts Momo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Wow MC is an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Not saying this is wrong, but this study does not seem to factor in the carbon emissions of producing a gas engine car? Shouldn't that be key when making this sort of claim? It says in the article the that only 10-20% of the number is from the mining of the battery materials. So the other 80-90% should be the same as another conventional car if I am reading right? If you factor just the added battery producing 10-20% over conventional what does this comparison look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 well that is nice . and seeing as the battery life is less than 10 yrs well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 50 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Not saying this is wrong, but this study does not seem to factor in the carbon emissions of producing a gas engine car? Shouldn't that be key when making this sort of claim? It says in the article the that only 10-20% of the number is from the mining of the battery materials. So the other 80-90% should be the same as another conventional car if I am reading right? If you factor just the added battery producing 10-20% over conventional what does this comparison look like? Get your critical thinking out of here, Brietbart would never misrepresent the facts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Get your critical thinking out of here, Brietbart would never misrepresent the facts! There is no doubt that producing the batteries for these cars has an increased footprint, I just find it hard to believe it being anywhere near 8 years. I also think battery power and much of the rest of the green industry has a problem most don't talk about. If we talk about going all green, the 5, 10, 50, etc year global demand for those minerals will go through the roof. Do we not have the same strife in the world for competition regarding those minerals that we do for oil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Get your critical thinking out of here, Brietbart would never misrepresent the facts! or The report, commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency but yeah what ever gets you through the day in your miserable leftist cunt life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: There is no doubt that producing the batteries for these cars has an increased footprint, I just find it hard to believe it being anywhere near 8 years. I also think battery power and much of the rest of the green industry has a problem most don't talk about. If we talk about going all green, the 5, 10, 50, etc year global demand for those minerals will go through the roof. Do we not have the same strife in the world for competition regarding those minerals that we do for oil? why do you think we want control of Afghanistan? no not want need Edited June 22, 2017 by Ez ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: There is no doubt that producing the batteries for these cars has an increased footprint, I just find it hard to believe it being anywhere near 8 years. I also think battery power and much of the rest of the green industry has a problem most don't talk about. If we talk about going all green, the 5, 10, 50, etc year global demand for those minerals will go through the roof. Do we not have the same strife in the world for competition regarding those minerals that we do for oil? One thing to consider too, some of the metals and materials are mined and processed at some of the most polluted places on earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 but we can not forget about the smug factor in all this. to most that is a priceless commodity .can you just imagine having you driver drop you off in anything but a tesla to a cocktail party in Santa Monica oh the shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Rosenberg Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Not saying this is wrong, but this study does not seem to factor in the carbon emissions of producing a gas engine car? Shouldn't that be key when making this sort of claim? It says in the article the that only 10-20% of the number is from the mining of the battery materials. So the other 80-90% should be the same as another conventional car if I am reading right? If you factor just the added battery producing 10-20% over conventional what does this comparison look like? Imagine how much fun it would be to hook one of those battery packs to Mongo's shock collar ? I can . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Sal Rosenberg said: Imagine how much fun it would be to hook one of those battery packs to Mongo's shock collar ? I can . I'd strap two just to be sure he rides the lightening. He is a big boy I am sure. Fucker needs a lot of power otherwise he would probably just get pleasured by it. That sick FUCK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 my sparky has been making $$$ hand over fist installing charging stations in homes and hotels doctors offices etc etc for a few yrs now .the using the car as a power source during a power outage is a pretty cool option .you buy a tesla in MN you get there card and usually book a install before even leaving dealership . tons of the inner city people get a extra special service when they get to also upgrade the service to the house . lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 35 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: or The report, commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency but yeah what ever gets you through the day in your miserable leftist cunt life Good studies can be misconstrued genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Ez ryder said: or The report, commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency but yeah what ever gets you through the day in your miserable leftist cunt life Fucking sodomite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Momorider said: Fucking sodomite Momo, please die. I know you don't want to continue your pathetic life, just build up the courage to end it man. It's for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Good studies can be misconstrued genius. the link is there your comp will translate the summery of the study for you to read .I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boered Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Same with solar, just take a look at the giant strip mines where they get the rare earth minerals to make the panels. There is no such thing as green energy sans hydro, and even that has issues when we dam rivers and flood massive areas. This entire climate change and green energy scam is sickening. Alternative energy will have to used at some point, we are eventually going to run out of fossil fuels, but the green crap is not why we need to convert. We still have plenty, peak oil was a lie to drive prices higher. taxing energy in the west under the green banner is just a way to control people. It actually hurts the poorest in our countries and has little effect on the wealthy. It also crushes our economy, and promotes more wasteful spending by already out of control governments. The fact it is preached like a fucking religion and followed like one is also sickening. Oh, and Ice is a massive faggot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just now, Ez ryder said: the link is there your comp will translate the summery of the study for you to read .I did I'm on my phone because I'm busy having a life, maybe later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boered Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Wildboer said: Momo, please die. I know you don't want to continue your pathetic life, just build up the courage to end it man. It's for the best. There is a girl on trial right now for telling a guy to kill himself, he did and she was convicted of manslaughter. When mongo kills himself, which he may well do, you could end up in jail, sucking that aids dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Momo, please die. I know you don't want to continue your pathetic life, just build up the courage to end it man. It's for the best. you fudge packing know nothing sack of ignorant sick fuck shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boered Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: There is no doubt that producing the batteries for these cars has an increased footprint, I just find it hard to believe it being anywhere near 8 years. I also think battery power and much of the rest of the green industry has a problem most don't talk about. If we talk about going all green, the 5, 10, 50, etc year global demand for those minerals will go through the roof. Do we not have the same strife in the world for competition regarding those minerals that we do for oil? Lithium is everywhere, it can be refined out of sea water. There will be no shortage, but costs may be high and energy to refine may not be economically feasible at pri=ces a market will bear.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boered Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Maybe al gore will finance the dyson sphere with his massive profits from the cap and trade scam. He will be a hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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