2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

I guess if you're a tough President you must go around the world attacking nations that have done nothing to you.  Huh....who knew. 

This place is seeing infections of TDS at a level I didn’t know existed before. I mean, I always knew it was a serious mental disease, I just didn’t realize how serious.  What a bunch of absolute morons pushing blind, idiotic statements out of pure indoctrinated hatred as they high five each other on what they feel is pure edgy, intellectualistic comments.

Pretty amazing to watch actually….and weird.  It’s pretty hard to look away.  Like, am I seeing what I think I’m seeing?

1 minute ago, Zambroski said:

This place is seeing infections of TDS at a level I didn’t know existed before. I mean, I always knew it was a serious mental disease, I just didn’t realize how serious.  What a bunch of absolute morons pushing blind, idiotic statements out of pure indoctrinated hatred as they high five each other on what they feel is pure edgy, intellectualistic comments.

Pretty amazing to watch actually….and weird.  It’s pretty hard to look away.  Like, am I seeing what I think I’m seeing?

The best is when they claim "I'm not just anti-Trump I dislike Biden too"  yet have 100-1 negative posts about Trump vs Biden.    

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

The best is when they claim "I'm not just anti-Trump I dislike Biden too"  yet have 100-1 negative posts about Trump vs Biden.    

I see it. Clear as day.  I laughed hard as hell when one actually proclaimed “We are the true Republicans.”

I mean…  

Salty Liberaltarians voting “none of the above” as they scream unchaste, righteous virtue.

3 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

I see it. Clear as day.  I laughed hard as hell when one actually proclaimed “We are the true Republicans.”

I mean…  

Salty Liberaltarians voting “none of the above” as they scream unchaste, righteous virtue.

Then claim the problem with Republicans is we don't stick together.    

Best is the one who harps fiscal responsibility but is willing to borrow to no end to fight an enemy who really isn't that great of threat to us.

13 hours ago, Carlos Danger said:

I think the IC has known the poor state of Russia and it's military for some time but are unwilling to let go of the fear mongering.  Military budgets require a scary threat.

Yep....once Islamic fundamentalism seemed to be under control they needed a new boogeyman and who better than good ol mother Russia.  

9 hours ago, airflite1 said:know, I know, I bought the second home in Minneapolis Proper, I need to be more liberal..😂

Stay strong.

28 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Why would you attribute a tough leader as someone who needs to attack an phantom enemy that hasn't done anything to us.   Tough can just as easily be showing restraint.  

Sweden and Denmark did under pressure from the US and the EU.   Why wouldn't someone want to join NATO.  They don't make you stand up to your end of the agreement and the largest military in the world is committed to defending you.   

Then why are we pointing out Putin didn’t attack under the previous admin if we had no intentions of doing anything to stop him. It’s called bluffing. It’s like anti war liberals voting for Reagan  because they like his slogan peace through strength. “Well I like the peace part but won’t support him ever exercising the strength part.”

 

So Sweden and Finland had to be pressured, even though it’s a no brainier?!? Interesting. If the latter they would have joined long ago.  Amazing how Finland was able to join no problem without Russia invading. 

 

24 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

I’ve always enjoyed watching you fight “the good fight” with mental pygmies who get all their “knowledge” from echo chamber sources they enjoy.

 

Keep dancing while adding nothing.

1 minute ago, akvanden said:

Stay strong.

Then why are we pointing out Putin didn’t attack under the previous admin if we had no intentions of doing anything to stop him. It’s called bluffing. It’s like anti war liberals voting for Reagan  because they like his slogan peace through strength. “Well I like the peace part but won’t support him ever exercising the strength part.”

 

So Sweden and Finland had to be pressured, even though it’s a no brainier?!? Interesting. If the latter they would have joined long ago.  Amazing how Finland was able to join no problem without Russia invading. 

 

Keep dancing while adding nothing.

Well to start I didn't say Trump would have done nothing if Russia attacked.   I'm simply saying I feel he would have done more diplomatically.   The US and England wanted NOTHING to do with peace.   You are a blind fool if you don't think Johnson and the US didn't want this to happen.   I do not think Trump would have taken that same stance.

It also wouldn't have been just a bluff....even liberal rags/outlets had the guts to admit that Trump was harder on Russia than Obama.  Trump was on TV's all over the world telling Germany how foolish they were for relying so much on Russian Energy. 

Keep in mind I didn't then and don't now support some of what he did with Russia.   

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180720&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR37H_OhF0hv6ds3b-Bno0dc0OLvHOV3XTmFBQI6VFgJlUMY0_bsGPrmdco_aem_Ab0CEfVTc8UJV2FxVkp4MgD201ubDXz0PFKu8zt8Bxl6CFf4JuJYB90239PkN3j1VnRFiAdWEVZ6o-OmjeVzAER9

That might sound like hyperbole, but in this case, there's actually some basis for the president's boast.

"When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

Take military spending: Trump sought to add $1.4 billion for fiscal year 2018 to the European Deterrence Initiative — a military effort to deter Russian aggression that was initially known as the European Reassurance Initiative. That's a 41 percent increase from the last year of the Obama administration. The president also agreed to send lethal weapons to Ukraine — a step that Obama resisted. And Trump gave U.S. forces in Syria more leeway to engage with Russian troops.

32 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Yep....once Islamic fundamentalism seemed to be under control they needed a new boogeyman and who better than good ol mother Russia.  

China is the new boogie man . Hell the entire NGAD program is about fighting China.

24 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Stay strong.

Then why are we pointing out Putin didn’t attack under the previous admin if we had no intentions of doing anything to stop him. It’s called bluffing. It’s like anti war liberals voting for Reagan  because they like his slogan peace through strength. “Well I like the peace part but won’t support him ever exercising the strength part.”

 

So Sweden and Finland had to be pressured, even though it’s a no brainier?!? Interesting. If the latter they would have joined long ago.  Amazing how Finland was able to join no problem without Russia invading. 

 

Keep dancing while adding nothing.

It seems real clear to many of us that have actual knowledge about the history about this that yours has been gained recently, by nefarious sources pushing a narrative.  You know, how all your "knowledge" is gained.

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

Well to start I didn't say Trump would have done nothing if Russia attacked.   I'm simply saying I feel he would have done more diplomatically.   The US and England wanted NOTHING to do with peace.   You are a blind fool if you don't think Johnson and the US didn't want this to happen.

While we’re certainly taking advantage of a poor miscalculation by Russia, it certainly hasn’t played out politically. I can’t imagine western leadership wanted this to happen without swift resolution if they actually wanted to be reelected, which we’re seeing play out. It certainly doesn’t help oil prices or inflation in general.
 

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

It also wouldn't have been just a bluff....even liberal rags/outlets had the guts to admit that Trump was harder on Russia than Obama.  Trump was on TV's all over the world telling Germany how foolish they were for relying so much on Russian Energy. 

Keep in mind I didn't then and don't now support some of what he did with Russia.   

Good, I’m glad he was tough with Russia even though he said some pretty absurd things to make one think otherwise. And I hope he would have militarily checked any authoritarian government who thinks they can invade an annex sovereign nations lands (even to your dismay).

 

1 hour ago, Zambroski said:

It seems real clear to many of us that have actual knowledge about the history about this that yours has been gained recently, by nefarious sources pushing a narrative.  You know, how all your "knowledge" is gained.

 

You’ve done a great job thus far showcasing your knowledge on foreign affairs. I’m just hoping the “knowledge” beat down you’re inflicting ends soon. 

 

 

3 hours ago, akvanden said:

While we’re certainly taking advantage of a poor miscalculation by Russia, it certainly hasn’t played out politically. I can’t imagine western leadership wanted this to happen without swift resolution if they actually wanted to be reelected, which we’re seeing play out. It certainly doesn’t help oil prices or inflation in general.
 

Good, I’m glad he was tough with Russia even though he said some pretty absurd things to make one think otherwise. And I hope he would have militarily checked any authoritarian government who thinks they can invade an annex sovereign nations lands (even to your dismay).

 

 

You’ve done a great job thus far showcasing your knowledge on foreign affairs. I’m just hoping the “knowledge” beat down you’re inflicting ends soon. 

 

 

NATO wanted this conflict.....you are kidding yourself to think otherwise.

Shows what you really know that you didn't know he was tough on Russia.   Must have fell for the propaganda huh.

So we should only step in when an authoritarian govt invades?   Shouldn't we have a responsibility to every citizen of every authoritarian govt?  I mean come on neocon don't you want freedom for everybody?     

5 minutes ago, Highmark said:

NATO wanted this conflict.....you are kidding yourself to think otherwise.

Ok, and now they’re getting leadership in place who are against funding NATO. Guess they didn’t think that one through.

 

6 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Shows what you really know that you didn't know he was tough on Russia.   Must have fell for the propaganda huh.

What in the world are you talking about. I just said good, glad he was. I’m merely pointing out the hypocrisy of those against supporting Ukraine while implying Trump was tough but wouldn’t have had a similar response.

 

9 minutes ago, Highmark said:

So we should only step in when an authoritarian govt invades? 

No, any government that annexes another nations land, which has just been Russia in recent history. 
 

13 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Shouldn't we have a responsibility to every citizen of every authoritarian govt?  I mean come on neocon don't you want freedom for everybody?

No, but cute.

Smh.  

14 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Ok, and now they’re getting leadership in place who are against funding NATO. Guess they didn’t think that one through.

 

What in the world are you talking about. I just said good, glad he was. I’m merely pointing out the hypocrisy of those against supporting Ukraine while implying Trump was tough but wouldn’t have had a similar response.

 

No, any government that annexes another nations land, which has just been Russia in recent history. 
 

No, but cute.

So even if their are atrocities going on fuck em.....as long as no territorial lines are crossed.    

There is no hypocrisy....a president can be tough on a country but not feel the need to borrow $200 billion to defeat them.   FFS man why can you not separate the two?  No Trump supporter that I know suggests we shouldn't come from a position of strength however how that is used is another thing. 

Its cute you trust NATO so much.    

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23 hours ago, Anler said:

Has it ever occurred to you you've been lied to your whole life?

I definitely have and by many people. It’s who we choose to believe that matters.  Seems to be that Trumpsters have been lied to and want to believe a serial liar and conman. If he lied cheated on all his wives, he’ll lie to you too. 

14 minutes ago, Highmark said:

So even if their are atrocities going on fuck em.....as long as no territorial lines are crossed.

Sure, why don’t you go ahead and lay out all the hypotheticals unrelated to Russia/Ukraine and we can run through them next. 

 

And then we can giggle about it.

 

19 minutes ago, Highmark said:

There is no hypocrisy....a president can be tough on a country but not feel the need to borrow $200 billion to defeat them.   FFS man why can you not separate the two?  No Trump supporter that I know suggests we shouldn't come from a position of strength however how that is used is another thing.

Tough up until diplomacy succeeds or fails. Got it.

 

22 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Its cute you trust NATO so much.

As are your deflections. You know, it’s ok to agree to disagree on foreign policy, or any policy for that matter.  

4 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Sure, why don’t you go ahead and lay out all the hypotheticals unrelated to Russia/Ukraine and we can run through them next. 

 

And then we can giggle about it.

 

Tough up until diplomacy succeeds or fails. Got it.

 

As are your deflections. You know, it’s ok to agree to disagree on foreign policy, or any policy for that matter.  

Really?      Might want to look in the mirror dude. 

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Really?      Might want to look in the mirror dude. 

When I start deflecting, remind me. 
 

 

55 minutes ago, Highmark said:

So even if their are atrocities going on fuck em.....as long as no territorial lines are crossed.    

There is no hypocrisy....a president can be tough on a country but not feel the need to borrow $200 billion to defeat them.   FFS man why can you not separate the two?  No Trump supporter that I know suggests we shouldn't come from a position of strength however how that is used is another thing. 

It’s cute you trust NATO so much.    

In 2016 Conservatives claimed Putin was better off with Hillary in Power and he was on her side. Is that something you still believe?

 

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8 hours ago, revkevsdi said:

In 2016 Conservatives claimed Putin was better off with Hillary in Power and he was on her side. Is that something you still believe?

 

Well Hillary did sell them uranium and mining rights, hit the reset button, allowed them as part of the Obama administration to invade Crimea with virtually no consequences....what do you think?  Oh I forgot took millions and millions from oligarchs are those connected to them.   Want more.

6 hours ago, Highmark said:

Well Hillary did sell them uranium and mining rights, hit the reset button, allowed them as part of the Obama administration to invade Crimea with virtually no consequences....what do you think?  Oh I forgot took millions and millions from oligarchs are those connected to them.   Want more.

It seems to me that in 2016 if Putin has a wish list, being trusted by Republicans/MAGA more than the CIA would be a dream come true.  That was Trump’s doing. 

Weakening NATO would also be on Putin’s wish list as part of his expansionist plans. Trump was doing his best to fuck NATO over too. 

Putin formulated his takeover of Ukraine instead of stopping at Crimea during Trump’s time in the Whitehouse and because no one would tell him no or tell him the truth he went ahead with the plans anyway.  Maybe he decided MAGA would continue with their civil war and keep the US tide up.  Maybe he was relying on his allies in the Republican Party keep any military aid from reaching Ukraine. It almost worked. 
 

In the end helping Trump get elected was a win for Putin the first time.  It exacted revenge on America for the damage Reagan did to the USSR.  
 

Unfortunately for Putin, Biden prevailed over MAGA and Russia is in a far worse place as a result. 

Appears Uncle Joe is reaching over the Nth border for support now.

To the supports Nth of the border which is funny Uncle Joe thanks you.  He'll have some type of aid package for you.

17 hours ago, akvanden said:

When I start deflecting, remind me. 
 

 

How about the ok to agree to disagree part?   You know you don't have to reply to my posts if you disagree.

On 6/10/2024 at 8:13 AM, revkevsdi said:

Hey, I get it, be suspicious of everything to do with Putin. He has Billions of dollars and can buy lots of politicians. 
 

 

President Donald Trump went to "extraordinary lengths" to keep details from his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin secret – even from officials within his own administration, The Washington Post reported this weekend, citing unnamed sources.

After meeting with Putin at the 2017 Group of 20summit in Hamburg, Germany, Trump took his interpreter's notes and told him not to discuss the meeting with anyone, including other U.S. officials, the Post reported.

 

On 6/10/2024 at 9:35 AM, Crnr2Crnr said:

which of them actually invaded another country?  

We do it all the time.