Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 5 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 5 6 350kw superchargers running at full capacity is the same load on the grid as 1080 homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 It's just math, but the guy is correct.' Few understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted January 5 Gold Member Share Posted January 5 Not if you charge them at night when there's excess capacity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Remember reading once that one Tesla semi charge takes as much power as a city block does in a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 5 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 5 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Rod said: Remember reading once that one Tesla semi charge takes as much power as a city block does in a month There is a video out there about a trucking company talking to their city on the electric needs to have an all electric fleet. The city said they were crazy as it was more draw than the entire city was using at that time. For one company. Don't worry though Bo will be along shortly to explain how it will all work and be just fine. Edited January 5 by Highmark 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: There is a video out there about a trucking company talking to their city on the electric needs to have an all electric fleet. The city said they were crazy as it was more draw than the entire city was using at that time. For one company. Don't worry though Bo will be along shortly to explain how it will all work and be just fine. They really can’t be much more than a niche into the foreseeable future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 5 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, Rod said: They really can’t be much more than a niche into the foreseeable future Never underestimate the stupidity of the climate change agenda. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, Highmark said: Never underestimate the stupidity of the climate change agenda. What’s more anti poor people that the climate alarmism cult 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 5 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rod said: What’s more anti poor people that the climate alarmism cult Very, very little. Maybe inflationary spending of which both sides are guilty of. Edited January 5 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Doesn’t make sense. It costs 3-4 cents per mile to fully charge. That’s 9.00 per full charge. No way it’s the same load as over 1000 homes. He’s using math for 6 chargers not one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Doesn’t make sense. It costs 3-4 cents per mile to fully charge. That’s 9.00 per full charge. No way it’s the same load as over 1000 homes. He’s using math for 6 chargers not one. Inb4 the edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Doesn’t make sense. It costs 3-4 cents per mile to fully charge. That’s 9.00 per full charge. No way it’s the same load as over 1000 homes. He’s using math for 6 chargers not one. If the battery is 100 kwhs, and you want to charge it in 20 min that's a 300 kw demand. That's factoring in zero flux, heat loss etc. It's just math. Tesla model S battery is 113 kwh, so the above is close. The 200 amp service at my house can generate 48kw, theoretically. It ain't rocket appliances Edited January 5 by Voodoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 5 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Highmark said: 6 350kw superchargers running at full capacity is the same load on the grid as 1080 homes. 22 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Doesn’t make sense. It costs 3-4 cents per mile to fully charge. That’s 9.00 per full charge. No way it’s the same load as over 1000 homes. He’s using math for 6 chargers not one. Nice reading comprehension. Cost doesn't change the fact of what the load on the system would be for that time of supercharging but don't worry to increase the load capacity it will eventually skyrocket prices for everyone. Especially when it has to be done green. Edited January 5 by Highmark 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 16 minutes ago, Highmark said: Nice reading comprehension. Cost doesn't change the fact of what the load on the system would be for that time of supercharging but don't worry to increase the load capacity it will eventually skyrocket prices for everyone. Especially when it has to be done green. Gonna need nuclear reactors every 45 miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Don't discount innovation. Things are not great the way they are currently, but there's a ton of capital being dumped into this field to solve hurdles. Willing to bet electric tech will be quite different five years from now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 5 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, akvanden said: Don't discount innovation. Things are not great the way they are currently, but there's a ton of capital being dumped into this field to solve hurdles. Willing to bet electric tech will be quite different five years from now. Battery capacity will improve but you can't change the laws of physics when it comes to energy generation especially when it comes to green energy. Hopefully fusion technology comes about extremely rapidly and it can be accepted otherwise with the laws being passed on mandatory electric vehicles is going to bite us in the ass bigtime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 10 minutes ago, Highmark said: Battery capacity will improve but you can't change the laws of physics when it comes to energy generation especially when it comes to green energy. Hopefully fusion technology comes about extremely rapidly and it can be accepted otherwise with the laws being passed on mandatory electric vehicles is going to bite us in the ass bigtime. It's why the superchargers throw 400V at the battery. That's actually pretty impressive, but all it really does is allow for smaller cables. A watt is a watt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 11 minutes ago, Highmark said: Battery capacity will improve but you can't change the laws of physics when it comes to energy generation especially when it comes to green energy. Hopefully fusion technology comes about extremely rapidly and it can be accepted otherwise with the laws being passed on mandatory electric vehicles is going to bite us in the ass bigtime. More than just capacity will improve, but yes, tech needs to improve for it to be viable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 7 minutes ago, Voodoo said: It's why the superchargers throw 400V at the battery. That's actually pretty impressive, but all it really does is allow for smaller cables. A watt is a watt. Yeah the fundamentals really haven’t changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Rod said: Remember reading once that one Tesla semi charge takes as much power as a city block does in a month While those numbers sound big it really doesn’t matter. If the electricity was produced with something like nuclear the entire process would provide the resulted need energy output far more efficiently than any ice powered vehicle could. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted January 5 Gold Member Share Posted January 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Voodoo said: If the battery is 100 kwhs, and you want to charge it in 20 min that's a 300 kw demand. That's factoring in zero flux, heat loss etc. It's just math. Tesla model S battery is 113 kwh, so the above is close. The 200 amp service at my house can generate 48kw, theoretically. It ain't rocket appliances EV’s will pull only the peak charge to maybe 40% battery capacity. At that point it ramps down and by 80% it’s pretty slow. 0-100 percent on a Tesla model S takes like 50 minutes I think. need to look at the charge curves rather then battery capacity if you want the true picture. Edited January 5 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, akvanden said: Don't discount innovation. Things are not great the way they are currently, but there's a ton of capital being dumped into this field to solve hurdles. Willing to bet electric tech will be quite different five years from now. Many solar panels have been installed over the last 2 years adding back to the grid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted January 5 Gold Member Share Posted January 5 This vid explains it all…. He even breaks it down in layman’s terms which may still blow over the heads of many here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Many solar panels have been installed over the last 2 years adding back to the grid. That is like pissing in the ocean 350 kw would 40 wind turbines running at %100 capacity Thats one car, one charger. Edited January 5 by Voodoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) The federal and provincial governments are pushing heat pumps on Ontario. i have a 2012 LG multi split I put in. Been a good unit. I’m using it a bit for heat now. I have a wood boiler, natural gas boiler, fan forced and baseboard electric heat, gas fireplace. its not a bad idea. Effective, efficient, and if the power is generated by nuclear or other zero emissions like wind or solar, it’s progress. We just need to recognize these are decades type projects, not years. Edited January 5 by Voodoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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