Over 40% increase

[BOHICA]

40% growth in deliveries.  Pretty impressive.  Some experts from here should let Tesla know the scarcity of battery materials and how that there is not enough growth in the raw materials to make batteries.  😂 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/01/02/tesla-tsla-q4-2022-vehicle-delivery-and-production-numbers.html

[Skidooski]

Boy that really rubbed on you eh. Lol Kind of like the exploding Teslas stuff did 

[teamgreen02]

3 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Some experts from here should let Tesla know the scarcity of battery materials and how that there is not enough growth in the raw materials to make batteries.  😂 

Everything they need can be sourced, for a price.

EV-battery-cell-cost.webp

[teamgreen02]

[BOHICA]

Battery raw material mining will grow.  Also recycling will be a large source of raw materials once EV batteries finally start going bad on a large scale.

 

as of yesterday lots of EV’s qualify for tax credits making EV’s like a Chevy bolt a sub 20k car and some teslas a sub 40k car. 

[teamgreen02]

2 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Battery raw material mining will grow.  Also recycling will be a large source of raw materials once EV batteries finally start going bad on a large scale.

 

as of yesterday lots of EV’s qualify for tax credits making EV’s like a Chevy bolt a sub 20k car and some teslas a sub 40k car. 

What's the best budget EV for commuting?  I see a few Nissan Leafs at work.  Haven't seen many Bolts around.

My commute is about 35 miles each way so a couple hundred miles range would be enough, even in the cold.

[BOHICA]

13 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said:

What's the best budget EV for commuting?  I see a few Nissan Leafs at work.  Haven't seen many Bolts around.

My commute is about 35 miles each way so a couple hundred miles range would be enough, even in the cold.

Bolt hands down. FWD couple hundred mile range.  Over 200 hp.  If you have enough federal tax liability you are in one for under 20k….  You may have some state, local, and electric utility incentives as well

[Cwhite138]

 

a sub 40 tesla doesn't exist new. maybe now they they are made in china they can do it. We will see.

Kia and Hyundai have good eletric offerings as well for something new. 

For the used market the best you can buy is a volt or cadi elr I know they are plug in hybrid. the are ele till the bat is drained then switch over. Gm sold those at a loss i have read.

The two cheapest evs I see are smart car and leaf. Careful with leafs tho it's really easy to reset batt life gauge, no laws against it either. Your not In to a 200mi range tho. 

Evs aren't really budget friendly yet tho... The extra cost of them you can afford alot of fuel. 

[BOHICA]

1 minute ago, Cwhite138 said:

 

a sub 40 tesla doesn't exist new. maybe now they they are made in china they can do it. We will see.

Kia and Hyundai have good eletric offerings as well for something new. 

For the used market the best you can buy is a volt or cadi elr I know they are plug in hybrid. the are ele till the bat is drained then switch over. Gm sold those at a loss i have read.

The two cheapest evs I see are smart car and leaf. Careful with leafs tho it's really easy to reset batt life gauge, no laws against it either. Your not In to a 200mi range tho. 

Evs aren't really budget friendly yet tho... The extra cost of them you can afford alot of fuel. 

Take $7500 off this price in US…. Tesla has a tax credit as of January 1 2023.

 

[BOHICA]

Now is the best time to get a bolt….  $18k car I guess currently.

https://www.slashgear.com/1150327/now-may-be-the-best-time-to-buy-the-chevy-bolt/

[XCR1250]

Stephen Moore:

Biden’s Big Lie: ‘Green’ Energy Doesn’t Save Money, It’s 4 to 6 Times MORE Expensive

President Joe Biden keeps claiming that wind and solar energy are going to save money for consumers. But more government subsidies to “renewable energy” is a key feature of the White House anti-inflation strategy recently announced by Biden.

He probably got that idea from John Kerry, the administration’s climate czar, who recently claimed that “solar and wind are less expensive than coal or oil or gas.” Pete Buttigieg, the Biden Transportation secretary, makes the same claims about the thousands of dollars that motorists can save if they buy electric cars.

This couldn’t be more wrong.

Proponents of “green” energy boondoggles are often masters at playing with the numbers, because that’s the only way wind and solar electricity generation make any sense. Advocates such as Kerry love to focus on the low operating costs of solar and wind since they don’t require constant purchases of fuel. Ignoring the relatively short lifespan of solar and wind components and the high initial investment can make it appear as though solar and wind operate at lower costs than fossil fuels or nuclear power.

Let’s get the facts straight. The cost isn’t just what you pay at the retail level for gas or power. It also includes the taxes you pay to subsidize the power. A 2017 study by the Department of Energy found that for every dollar of government subsidy per BTU unit of energy produced from fossil fuels, wind and solar get at least $10.

That’s anything but a money saver.

The reason the subsidies are so high is that solar and wind have additional costs compared to their more reliable competition. “Green” energy sources are nondispatchable, meaning their output can’t be changed to match demand. The wind doesn’t blow harder, and the sun doesn’t shine brighter, just because electricity use is peaking.

Conversely, fossil fuel entities—such as a coal plant—can ramp up generation when we need it most and ramp down when demand falls.

Widespread adoption of solar and wind generation would necessitate expensive batteries on a large scale to ensure that people still have power when the wind stops blowing or when the sun stops shining—like it does every single night.

So, unlike reliable and flexible natural gas, solar and wind require large-scale storage solutions: massive banks of batteries that are hardly environmentally friendly and are also extremely expensive. And since batteries don’t last forever, they add to both the initial expense and maintenance costs during the life of a solar or wind energy generating station.

The same problem exists with electric cars. The sticker price on EVs is considerably higher than for conventional gas-operated cars, and the so-called savings over time assume that the electric power for recharging is free. But it isn’t, and power costs are rising almost as fast as gas prices.

Factors such as these are consistently ignored by Kerry and other “green” energy activists.

To genuinely evaluate dissimilar energy sources and provide an apples-to-apples comparison, the U.S. Energy Information Administration uses the Levelized Cost of Energy (LCOE) and the Levelized Cost of Storage (LCOS). These measures consider the initial costs, the lifespan of generation and storage systems, maintenance and fuel costs, decommissioning expenses, subsidies, etc., and compare that to how much electricity is produced over a power plant’s lifetime.

The numbers don’t lie: “Green” energy is a complete waste of resources.

The LCOE and LCOS for solar and on-shore wind farms are four times as expensive as natural gas. But offshore wind takes the cake—it’s six times as expensive as natural gas.

Imagine paying four to six times as much every month for the same electricity! That’s the green paradise world that the Biden administration wants for America.

Yet, it’s even worse than that because electric power costs greatly affect the cost of producing nearly everything else. In the case of producing aluminum, for example, a third of the total production cost is electricity alone.

Imagine what quadrupling electricity prices would do to the prices of all the goods and services that people buy. If you think inflation is bad now, just wait until the nation is dependent on wind and solar—then you’ll see REAL price increases.

And despite official government data contradicting its own claims, the Biden administration—including Kerry—continues spouting simple untruths on wind and solar. They hope no one will check their fantastic facts.

To the left, wanting it to be true makes it true.

All the while, the middle class is being crushed by $4-a-gallon gasoline, and businesses everywhere are buckling under $5-per-gallon diesel. The Wall Street Journal warns that electric power blackouts could be coming because of overreliance on wind and solar power.

At some point, if this push for green energy continues, the whole nation will start to look like California, where gas is $6 a gallon, the lights go out, and electric cars are stranded because of rolling blackouts. If that’s our “green” future, then Americans should want nothing to do with it.

[Cwhite138]

1 minute ago, BOHICA said:

Take $7500 off this price in US…. Tesla has a tax credit as of January 1 2023.

 

Then add del and what ever else. Just another lie from tesla. Probably never build it so you have to upgrade just to get your car 

[XCR1250]

Here's The Reason Why Tesla Tires Are So Much More Expensive

Story by Matt Salter • 

 

When it comes to going electric, motorists are serious about counting costs. Per SlashGear's recent survey on the subject, cost concerns came in just behind range limitations as the second most-cited reason for buyer skepticism over EVs. Over 20% of survey respondents cited costs as their main reason not to buy electric.

tesla tire chains display office© Kevin McGovern/Shutterstock

It's a serious consideration. As we've reported before, EV prices are only growing when marketplace logic says that increased demand and more accessible tech should be driving them down. Going beyond simple sticker shock, prospective EV buyers have concerns about long-term operating costs, given increased markup on everything from battery prices to simple part replacements.

In the latter case, costs could come from an unexpected source. Common sense suggests that tires, already painfully overpriced, should be more or less interchangeable across models: the same weight is moving over the same surfaces in the same general layout. As with almost everything electric, however, it's not quite so simple, and there's a good reason why Tesla tires may cost you more than competing companies.

 

Weighty Considerations Influence Tire Cost

Red Tesla Model S showroom© Dong liu/Shutterstock

The short answer is that batteries, and therefore Teslas, are heavy. Prices differ across models, but broadly speaking Tesla tires cost about as much as all-terrain truck tires (via Discount Tire and Axlewise), for almost exactly the same reason: they're specialist tools for moving serious weight at highway speed for years on end.

 

Per Tesla's own recommendations, drivers should be replacing their tires every six years or so and rotating them every 6,250 miles. According to Axlewise, that's anywhere between $900 for a full tire replacement on a Tesla Model 3 to $1,500 or more on a Model X or Roadster. That's some serious coin for something that may be necessary several times in the lifetime of the car. Electric Vehicle FAQs also rightly notes that labor costs may be higher on Teslas, at least for the next few years. EVs are still comparatively new to mechanics, which could add $150 or more to the final bill.

That's a lot of money, but Teslas are luxury cars, after all. Service always costs. As time passes and cheaper, more easily serviceable EVs take up more and more of the market, more accessible options are sure to become available.

[BOHICA]

2 minutes ago, Cwhite138 said:

Then add del and what ever else. Just another lie from tesla. Probably never build it so you have to upgrade just to get your car 

You order a Tesla on their website you are locked on price.  Yes you have delivery and an order fee to add back.  But you get a $7500 tax credit on the standard range now.  So price is under 41k

 

[XCR1250]

A brother and sister say they had to stop 6 times in one day to charge their rented Tesla in cold weather after the battery drained quickly

Sam Tabahriti

Sun, January 1, 2023 at 3:00 AM CST·2 min read

 

 

 

Alice and Xaviar Steavenson rented a Tesla from Hertz.Alice Steavenson/Badax.life

• A man said he and his sister rented a Tesla and needed to stop six times in one day to charge it.

Xaviar and Alice Steavenson wanted to find out what it's like to drive a Tesla, so they rented one from Hertz for a trip from Orlando, Florida, to Wichita, Kansas.

They say they knew the electric car would need charging en route — and expected it to take longer after the weather turned so cold in late December — but what the siblings didn't expect was just how often they'd need to plug it in.

Xaviar Steavenson told Insider it got to the point that the "battery would drain faster than it would charge."

When they set off, Steavenson said, they could drive for at least 2 ½ hours before needing to charge the Tesla. "We ended up having to stop every one to 1 ½ hours to charge for an hour, then an hour and a half, then two hours," he said.

 

Their rented Tesla at a supercharger.Alice Steavenson/Badax.life

"So beyond the lost time, it also got to the point it was between $25 and $30 to recharge," Steavenson said. "Just in one day, we stopped six times to charge at that cost."

Steavenson said Hertz said on its website that renting a Tesla was "always cheaper than gas" but added that he'd found the claim to be far from his experience.

He said when he and his sister first called Hertz, the agent told him he'd "had nothing but Tesla calls today" and had "no idea why they're having issues."

A Hertz representative told Insider: "We have not experienced a significant increase in communication from customers about the battery of their EV rentals. However, battery range varies by vehicle manufacturer and can be influenced by multiple factors including weather and driving conditions."

The Steavensons were not alone, though, in reporting Tesla charging problem in cold weather. A 44-year-old radio host from the city of Lynchburg in eastern Virginia told Insider it was 19 degrees Fahrenheit, or minus 7 Celsius, when he was left stranded just before Christmas because his Model S wouldn't charge.

Steavenson said Hertz told him to go to the closest branch to get a new car. "However, they don't have Teslas there or not even the equivalent, so I'm headed back in a Nissan Rogue Sport," he said. "At least it's economical."

Tesla didn't respond to a request for comment.

Read the original article on Business Insider

[Cwhite138]

  

3 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

You order a Tesla on their website you are locked on price.  Yes you have delivery and an order fee to add back.  But you get a $7500 tax credit on the standard range now.  So price is under 41k

 

Still not sub 40.. and didn't they promise 35 that never happened. They also run those cheaper models less to push more expensive ones.

[BOHICA]

1 minute ago, Cwhite138 said:

  

Still not sub 40.. and didn't they promise 35 that never happened. They also run those cheaper models less to push more expensive ones.

could be depending on state incentives.  Many states have EV incentives such as rebates
 

The 35k happened briefly and was a car you had to order direct from a tesla showroom…. Wasn’t an online purchase.  

[Not greg b]

The government should not be giving anyone 7500 dollars to buy a car. They should give me 7500 dollars back for paying taxes 

[BOHICA]

Just now, Not greg b said:

The government should not be giving anyone 7500 dollars to buy a car. They should give me 7500 dollars back for paying taxes 

They don’t give anybody 7500.  They just don’t take 7500 from you.

[Cwhite138]

12 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

could be depending on state incentives.  Many states have EV incentives such as rebates
 

The 35k happened briefly and was a car you had to order direct from a tesla showroom…. Wasn’t an online purchase.  

I wonder how many actually made it to customers for that. I remember hearing about no etas and tesla trying to up sell hard. 

[BOHICA]

1 minute ago, Cwhite138 said:

I wonder how many actually made it to customers for that. I remember hearing about no etas and tesla trying to up sell hard. 

They were just software decontented cars.  With the tax credit they had at the time they were a steal.

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/the-much-hyped-35000-tesla-model-3-is-dead/

 

 

 

[Cwhite138]

1 minute ago, BOHICA said:

They were just software decontented cars.  With the tax credit they had at the time they were a steal.

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/the-much-hyped-35000-tesla-model-3-is-dead/

 

 

 

I know what they were. They also kept scaring people with no production dates and pushing them to more expensive ones with real build dates. We will never know how many were ever sold at that price. I bet the number is pretty low 

[Not greg b]

14 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

They don’t give anybody 7500.  They just don’t take 7500 from you.

The 7500 “tax credit” doesn’t come out of the air. It’s paid for by the tax payers and goes into the auto manufactures pocket   

[Skidooski]

16 minutes ago, Not greg b said:

The 7500 “tax credit” doesn’t come out of the air. It’s paid for by the tax payers and goes into the auto manufactures pocket   

“Nothing in life is free”

[Not greg b]

13 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

“Nothing in life is free”

Yep