spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Anler said: I posted that a couple weeks ago. Troops are quitting and giving up. No back up, no support, no supplies... The Donbas region is basically the low hanging fruit. Putin has got to have something to declare victory so he targets an area that was primarily Russian before the war. He failed miserably at trying to take Kiev. Now he's having to destroy the cities of basically his own Russian people in the east. He's insured a generation of poverty for eastern Ukraine. Nice guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 59 minutes ago, Highmark said: Russia's GDP and military budget is about 2/3's of Canada's (per capita). Let that sink in how long they can afford to fight. Theyve been fighting in Syria for ten years now. I wouldnt under estimate Putin, he is a lot smarter than most leaders. He knew the west would come for him because they have been subtlety doing so for 30 years. Energy and food shortages combined with increasing inflation is going to create alot more loss of morale around the world than Russian troops are experiencing. More and more countries are saying fuck all to the sanctions against Russia, they didnt start this fight and they dont want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, spin_dry said: The Donbas region is basically the low hanging fruit. Putin has got to have something to declare victory so he targets an area that was primarily Russian before the war. He failed miserably at trying to take Kiev. Now he's having to destroy the cities of basically his own Russian people in the east. He's insured a generation of poverty for eastern Ukraine. Nice guy. Is that why the Nazis have been bombing it for the last 8 years? They should just let it go if that is the case, the result has been far worse than the reward. This aint about Ukraine, its about energy and the west will run us into the ground trying to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 Just now, Anler said: Theyve been fighting in Syria for ten years now. I wouldnt under estimate Putin, he is a lot smarter than most leaders. He knew the west would come for him because they have been subtlety doing so for 30 years. Energy and food shortages combined with increasing inflation is going to create alot more loss of morale around the world than Russian troops are experiencing. More and more countries are saying fuck all to the sanctions against Russia, they didnt start this fight and they dont want it. It really doesn't matter at this point if the sanctions remain. The war has already caused permanent damage to Russia. Which is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Russia's GDP and military budget is about 2/3's of Canada's (per capita). Let that sink in how long they can afford to fight. Yah but unlike the rest of us Russia is self sufficient, they don't need anything they don't don't already make. And China will give them whatever else they might need. Putin is playing us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: It really doesn't matter at this point if the sanctions remain. The war has already caused permanent damage to Russia. Which is good. The fuck it has. I think its the other way around, and Putin didn't even fire one shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Anler said: Is that why the Nazis have been bombing it for the last 8 years? They should just let it go if that is the case, the result has been far worse than the reward. This aint about Ukraine, its about energy and the west will run us into the ground trying to get it. The Donbas region is turning to ruins. Putin broke it, now he owns it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: The fuck it has. I think its the other way around, and Putin didn't even fire one shot. I can't even read that and keep a straight face. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: It really doesn't matter at this point if the sanctions remain. The war has already caused permanent damage to Russia. Which is good. So they say. The move away from US/England/Israel banking control is in the works. We will lose bigly when that happens and you know what will happen before they allow that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: The Donbas region is turning to ruins. Putin broke it, now he owns it. Exactly what I said would happen four months ago. Weird eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted June 21, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, spin_dry said: I can't even read that and keep a straight face. It must be his inside sources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Anler said: So they say. The move away from US/England/Israel banking control is in the works. We will lose bigly when that happens and you know what will happen before they allow that. Russian oil exports to the EU are down 80%. Putin has 80 million barrels sitting on the water right now. He's forced to sell to India and China at a discount. Russia's military has been depleted. All western oil companies and their technologies have pulled out. He's lost thousands of his skilled technical people because of the collapse of various industries within Russia. They've fled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Anler said: Exactly what I said would happen four months ago. Weird eh? Yeah, Putin is a genius. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Russia's GDP and military budget is about 2/3's of Canada's (per capita). Let that sink in how long they can afford to fight. The fact that he's pulling tanks out of mothballs that were designed and built 60 years ago says it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 21, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) Neither side wins in war any longer. The side that wins pays more to rebuild than the side that lost. We've given concessions to all of Europe all because of Germany, Italy and even Russia ever since WW2 all based off lessons from WW1. If you don't they just come back at you sooner. We should just stay out of any current or future wars in Europe and put ourselves in a position to defend ourselves from the far East. We absolutely should remove ourselves from NATO. Just think of what the two world wars caused mostly by the European's cost the world in lives and money. FUCK EUROPE. When it came to fighting the Japanese we were basically on our own. Edited June 21, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: Russian oil exports to the EU are down 80%. Putin has 80 million barrels sitting on the water right now. He's forced to sell to India and China at a discount. Russia's military has been depleted. All western oil companies and their technologies have pulled out. He's lost thousands of his skilled technical people because of the collapse of various industries within Russia. They've fled. Europe is still buying gas and bypassing sanctions. Food and fuel prices are going to hurt europe more than Russia. China has now confirmed its allegiance to Russia and they will collude to stick the pain in our ass. We are cutting our own throat so the kings of the past can gain more control of the world. And once again the brainwashed masses will follow right along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Anler said: Europe is still buying gas and bypassing sanctions. Food and fuel prices are going to hurt europe more than Russia. China has now confirmed its allegiance to Russia and they will collude to stick the pain in our ass. We are cutting our own throat so the kings of the past can gain more control of the world. And once again the brainwashed masses will follow right along. So what if it's buying oil? Russian sales are down 80% to the EU. Putin is having to discount his oil to new buyers. He's also claiming a New World order. Putin's next worry should be China. Not the US. We will be just fine without their oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Neither side wins in war any longer. The side that wins pays more to rebuild than the side that lost. We've given concessions to all of Europe all because of Germany, Italy and even Russia ever since WW2 all based off lessons from WW1. If you don't they just come back at you sooner. We should just stay out of any current or future wars in Europe and put ourselves in a position to defend ourselves from the far East. We absolutely should remove ourselves from NATO. Russia isnt even waging war on Ukraine. They havent bombed any of the cities, airports, utilites, transportation facilities west of eastern Ukraine. They could have done that without sending in one tank. Weird how Ukraine is fighting so fiercely to retain and area they themselves were attacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: So what if it's buying oil? Russian sales are down 80% to the EU. Putin is having to discount his oil to new buyers. He's also claiming a New World order. Putin's next worry should be China. Not the US. We will be just fine without their oil. I wouldnt trust China either but its not like we havent allied ourselves with bad actors. Whats that saying? My enemies enemy is my friend? And hey dummy, we are not fine. Take a look outside sometime. Why dont we discount our oil? Why dont the Saudis discount their oil to undermine Russia? derp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Anler said: Russia isnt even waging war on Ukraine. They havent bombed any of the cities, airports, utilites, transportation facilities west of eastern Ukraine. They could have done that without sending in one tank. Weird how Ukraine is fighting so fiercely to retain and area they themselves were attacking. What?!! Taking Kiev was the initial push and strategy. Russia couldn't get their artillery close enough to Kiev to use it and they couldn't fly into Kiev without having bombers blown out of the air. Putin's initial plan was to crumple Kiev and the country would collapse into his hands. He didn't have the strategy or fire power to accomplish that so he went after the low hanging fruit. The East. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: What?!! Taking Kiev was the initial push and strategy. Russia couldn't get their artillery close enough to Kiev to use it and they couldn't fly into Kiev without having bombers blown out of the air. Putin's initial plan was to crumple Kiev and the country would collapse into his hands. He didn't have the strategy or fire power to accomplish that so he went after the low hanging fruit. The East. Was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: I wouldnt trust China either but its not like we havent allied ourselves with bad actors. Whats that saying? My enemies enemy is my friend? And hey dummy, we are not fine. Take a look outside sometime. Why dont we discount our oil? Why dont the Saudis discount their oil to undermine Russia? derp It's all going to work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Anler said: Was it? Uh huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 21, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Anler said: Russia isnt even waging war on Ukraine. They havent bombed any of the cities, airports, utilites, transportation facilities west of eastern Ukraine. They could have done that without sending in one tank. Weird how Ukraine is fighting so fiercely to retain and area they themselves were attacking. While true I still think Russia's conventional military capabilities are far less than the world estimated. Don't get me wrong I think we knew but we always want to make it out as the big bad bear so we continue to spend trillions on the MIC. Its also a sign that if Russia went after cities like Kyiv with real aerial bombardments the west would have stepped in with minimum far greater military equipment support. This could have cost them big time in the equipment needed to fight the west had WW3 broke out. They are just afraid of nuclear war as the west. Edited June 21, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted June 21, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, spin_dry said: What?!! Taking Kiev was the initial push and strategy. Russia couldn't get their artillery close enough to Kiev to use it and they couldn't fly into Kiev without having bombers blown out of the air. Putin's initial plan was to crumple Kiev and the country would collapse into his hands. He didn't have the strategy or fire power to accomplish that so he went after the low hanging fruit. The East. Damn.....you are on point today...guess you had a good breakfast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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