XCR1250 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Beware of E15 Fuel at Roadside Pumps A Potential Hazard for Boaters E15 fuels are available for sale this summer as an administration effort to reduce fuel prices. Boat Owners Association of The United States says the unintended consequence of the waiver could inadvertently put a harmful fuel prohibited for use in recreational vessels into your boat’s gas tank. “While we understand the need to save money, we are concerned that fuel retailers may market E15 (15% ethanol) fuel, such as ‘regular 88’ or ‘regular unleaded’ as a lower cost alternative to E10,” said BoatUS Manager of Government Affairs David Kennedy. “And therein lies the problem — the majority of recreational boats are refueled at roadside gas stations and, with almost no safeguards in place, there is a real chance that boat owners, looking for a bargain will misfuel their boats with E15 fuel.” Be sure to read the labeling carefully at the pump and know what you are selecting. Try to find non-ethanol fuel in your area if it's available. ... read more at boatus.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted May 6, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted May 6, 2022 What makes it damaging to recreational boat engines vs a car engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kivalo said: What makes it damaging to recreational boat engines vs a car engine? Because the fuel is hygroscopic, boat engines are more prone, due to the environment their in, obviously, to have issues. readily taking up and retaining moisture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, Kivalo said: What makes it damaging to recreational boat engines vs a car engine? From the web: A problem for motorcycles The motorcycle community has long understood that ethanol isn’t good for motorcycles. Ethanol can cause several problems: Reduced performance and mileage, since ethanol has one-third less energy than pure gasoline Absorption of water, further reducing fuel efficiency and potentially resulting in phase separation Increased engine and exhaust system temperature, since ethanol leans out the fuel/air mixture (as if our machines don't run hot already!) Corrosion of metal parts in the fuel system Damage to fuel lines and gaskets The American Motorcyclist Association and most motorcycle manufacturers oppose the expansion of E15 availability. Inadvertent misfueling with E15 fuel is a significant concern. E15 use can void manufacturers’ warranties, and the EPA has acknowledged that E15 gas can damage engines. The EPA has also stated that E15 cannot be used in motorcycles. In fact, a vast majority of motorcycles and ATVs in the United States today aren’t designed to run on ethanol blends higher than 10 percent. And many vintage machines have problems with any ethanol in the fuel. More info: Should You Use E15 Gas in Your Side-by-Side? Action Center - American Motorcyclist Association americanmotorcyclist.com Where to find non-ethanol fuel: Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted May 6, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted May 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, irv said: Because the fuel is hygroscopic, boat engines are more prone, due to the environment their in, obviously, to have issues. readily taking up and retaining moisture 4 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: From the web: A problem for motorcycles The motorcycle community has long understood that ethanol isn’t good for motorcycles. Ethanol can cause several problems: Reduced performance and mileage, since ethanol has one-third less energy than pure gasoline Absorption of water, further reducing fuel efficiency and potentially resulting in phase separation Increased engine and exhaust system temperature, since ethanol leans out the fuel/air mixture (as if our machines don't run hot already!) Corrosion of metal parts in the fuel system Damage to fuel lines and gaskets The American Motorcyclist Association and most motorcycle manufacturers oppose the expansion of E15 availability. Inadvertent misfueling with E15 fuel is a significant concern. E15 use can void manufacturers’ warranties, and the EPA has acknowledged that E15 gas can damage engines. The EPA has also stated that E15 cannot be used in motorcycles. In fact, a vast majority of motorcycles and ATVs in the United States today aren’t designed to run on ethanol blends higher than 10 percent. And many vintage machines have problems with any ethanol in the fuel. More info: Should You Use E15 Gas in Your Side-by-Side? Action Center - American Motorcyclist Association americanmotorcyclist.com Where to find non-ethanol fuel: Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada Interesting. I had only ever heard about the fuel line issues. My old sled actually needed replacement of the gromets around the tank because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted May 6, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted May 6, 2022 Why are car engines not prone to these issues? Or are they and they government just doesn't care. That actually sounds more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 i think biggest issue is the lack of a fuel sensor in other vehicles. Most cars these days have a sensor that determines how much E and new powersports are running very lean to meet epa standards without those controls and older vehicles of all varieties don't have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Kivalo said: Why are car engines not prone to these issues? Or are they and they government just doesn't care. That actually sounds more likely. I wouldn’t use it in anything that sits for extended periods of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted May 6, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Cold War said: I wouldn’t use it in anything that sits for extended periods of time. Yeah thats a no brainer, ethanol eating fuel lines and whatnot is pretty well known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Kivalo said: Yeah thats a no brainer, ethanol eating fuel lines and whatnot is pretty well known. You would think, but people are constantly bringing me pressure washers, chainsaws, etc. Its brand new, and now it won’t run!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted May 6, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 6, 2022 https://www.pure-gas.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted May 7, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 7, 2022 B3c ethanol shield for the win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted May 7, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 7, 2022 17 hours ago, Kivalo said: Why are car engines not prone to these issues? Or are they and they government just doesn't care. That actually sounds more likely. Newer vehicles have multiple fuel maps in them for different fuels, hence those "flex fuel" logos. You got a Chevy right?? Go toss some e85 in it. Your gas mileage will go to shit but gain about 30hp.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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