spin_dry Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I'd say the European Union war machine is awake and alive. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/in-just-72-hours-europe-overhauled-its-entire-post-cold-war-relationship-with-russia/ar-AAUrkjS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 Good to see…Another clear sign that Putin has overstepped and miscalculated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Good to see…Another clear sign that Putin has overstepped and miscalculated. The Europeans could build some wicked ass military shit if the motivation were there. Sounds like not only EU leaders are motivated, but so is the general public. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 good thing Trump got them focused on providing some of thei own sercurity when he was in office. Paying dividends now. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: good thing Trump got them focused on providing some of thei own sercurity when he was in office. Paying dividends now. I think Vlad gets all the credit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: good thing Trump got them focused on providing some of thei own sercurity when he was in office. Paying dividends now. He sure did make a lot of noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Good to see…Another clear sign that Putin has overstepped and miscalculated. Dangerous part now is Putin getting backed into a corner and going all or nothing. He's basically in a no win and Russia will have to pay bigtime. He seriously miscalculated how parts of Europe would react. When Switzerland stood up to him you knew it was game on. They've stayed neutral on everything. One of his biggest mistakes is the potential growth of NATO after this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Highmark said: Dangerous part now is Putin getting backed into a corner and going all or nothing. He's basically in a no win and Russia will have to pay bigtime. He seriously miscalculated how parts of Europe would react. When Switzerland stood up to him you knew it was game on. They've stayed neutral on everything. One of his biggest mistakes is the potential growth of NATO after this. I dont think mentally he has the ability to backdown . How batshit crazy does he get ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: I dont think mentally he has the ability to backdown . How batshit crazy does he get ? Yep and how far those around him let him go. Hopefully some sanity comes from inside the Russian govt soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Dangerous part now is Putin getting backed into a corner and going all or nothing. He's basically in a no win and Russia will have to pay bigtime. He seriously miscalculated how parts of Europe would react. When Switzerland stood up to him you knew it was game on. They've stayed neutral on everything. One of his biggest mistakes is the potential growth of NATO after this. The problem with Putin stepping down is no one knows what pimple will pop up in return. Just like doing away with the czars of Europe. Look what stepped in. Fucking monsters. Putin is a known quantity, provided he hasn't lost his mind. When and if Putin is willing to capitulate, someone in the EU or America needs to give him a way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: The problem with Putin stepping down is no one knows what pimple will pop up in return. Just like doing away with the czars of Europe. Look what stepped in. Fucking monsters. Putin is a known quantity, provided he hasn't lost his mind. When and if Putin is willing to capitulate, someone in the EU or America needs to give him a way out. Very well could happen and Russia won't be held to account to rebuild Ukraine the world will. Tough to balance out but with a nuclear power such as Russia it unfortunately might the the sane choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Very well could happen and Russia won't be held to account to rebuild Ukraine the world will. Tough to balance out but with a nuclear power such as Russia it unfortunately might the the sane choice. It would be a mistake to continue to drive the Russian economy into the dirt by blocking their energy sales. The Treaty of Versailles is a good example of how that goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, spin_dry said: It would be a mistake to continue to drive the Russian economy into the dirt by blocking their energy sales. The Treaty of Versailles is a good example of how that goes. Sadly I agree.....punishment doesn't pan out in the long run no matter how much its deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICG Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 He seemed a good 👍 person to rebuild the country after the 91 crash. Their progressive movement, went dark... A Dark day for the people on both sides. Hope an epiphany wakes some sense into the presidents office + negotiates a closure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I think Vlad gets all the credit here. nah, trump fired the warning shots about not giving money so they did start ramping up some of their defense spending. Not being the worlds policeman and paying more than our share of it was trumps best policy, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: nah, trump fired the warning shots about not giving money so they did start ramping up some of their defense spending. Not being the worlds policeman and paying more than our share of it was trumps best policy, Fine…Trump gets partial credit.👍🏼🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Highmark said: Sadly I agree.....punishment doesn't pan out in the long run no matter how much its deserved. General Marshal had the long view in the rebuilding of Europe. The peace has stood as the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 38 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: nah, trump fired the warning shots about not giving money so they did start ramping up some of their defense spending. Not being the worlds policeman and paying more than our share of it was trumps best policy, So what exactly did europe change as the result of trump’s rhetoric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 1, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, spin_dry said: General Marshal had the long view in the rebuilding of Europe. The peace has stood as the result. Lincoln realized this with the south as well. Problem is we let it go on too long with Axis powers and really much of Europe and they took us for granted. Plenty of one sided trade deals thru the decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Lincoln realized this with the south as well. Problem is we let it go on too long with Axis powers and really much of Europe and they took us for granted. Plenty of one sided trade deals thru the decades. The US made up for it through keeping tension in the world high, three massive wars, and the proliferation of weapons through out the world including to those that used it against the republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Best thing that could happen would be one of his generals putting a bullet in Putins forehead. I don’t know enough about his inner circle, other than he seems to intimidate all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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