Ez ryder Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 i know it is sort of a 90s fad . but I still have been thinking hard about building my self one. beyond the cost and extra labor. what are your if any complaints about living /maintaining it ? on line it is nothing but a cheerleading session Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 29, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 29, 2020 I have a bud in VT that's a builder. They still do quite a few of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Very common here, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: i know it is sort of a 90s fad . but I still have been thinking hard about building my self one. beyond the cost and extra labor. what are your if any complaints about living /maintaining it ? on line it is nothing but a cheerleading session What's that? Don't think I've ever heard about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 I see little benefit of above ground Icf construction when closed cell spray foam and stick building is so much cheaper and easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Just now, XCR1250 said: What's that? Don't think I've ever heard about it. Insulated concrete forms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 o know they still do them I know guys who pump them . not need as many now as 15 yrs back . I just know no one who actually lives in one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Just now, f7ben said: Insulated concrete forms Ah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Just now, f7ben said: I see little benefit of above ground Icf construction when closed cell spray foam and stick building is so much cheaper and easier I like sips for above grade. Icf seems like a good idea for below grade, but seems like a waste of foam when you only need one thermal break. Two is redundant and wasteful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, f7ben said: I see little benefit of above ground Icf construction when closed cell spray foam and stick building is so much cheaper and easier 1.5 story's of this home would be underground . and with thermal sticks and cement heated floors it all adds up. and insurance is a up side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: I see little benefit of above ground Icf construction when closed cell spray foam and stick building is so much cheaper and easier also I have done the math on the building subs etc for me it really is less than 20g on a whole house prob even less if a cash in some old favors lol . I would still spray foam the whole roof . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I like sips for above grade. Icf seems like a good idea for below grade, but seems like a waste of foam when you only need one thermal break. Two is redundant and wasteful. why do you think it is redundant icf? the way I see it it helps keep that mass of cement closer to interior temp . and gives you attachment ponts to boot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: o know they still do them I know guys who pump them . not need as many now as 15 yrs back . I just know no one who actually lives in one My sils cottage is icf. Pretty much any custom built home here would be that I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Don’t get me wrong , if done right they are great buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: My sils cottage is icf. Pretty much any custom built home here would be that I've seen. wow much more populare in your parts . have not even had on in the parade of homes in MN metro in a few yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: why do you think it is redundant icf? the way I see it it helps keep that mass of cement closer to interior temp . and gives you attachment ponts to boot . One layer of foam on the inside and outside seems stupid. You only need one layer for a thermal break. Foam on the outside seems the most appropriate for colder climates. You want the inside uninsulated so the thermal mass of the concrete keeps temps more even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: wow much more populare in your parts . have not even had on in the parade of homes in MN metro in a few yrs I really don't know what standard builders are doing for higher density homes, but custom ones, you would be hard pressed to find any that are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, f7ben said: Insulated concrete forms A giant beer cooler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mainecat said: A giant beer cooler? No....google it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mainecat said: A giant beer cooler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: One layer of foam on the inside and outside seems stupid. You only need one layer for a thermal break. Foam on the outside seems the most appropriate for colder climates. You want the inside uninsulated so the thermal mass of the concrete keeps temps more even. then you still need Polly and a stud wall to attach drywall and what not . and to get same R you would need 3 inches of foam on ext of home . I may go with standard construction but have wanted a icf for some time now . and this project will be on my free time so woodframe could end up elements for stretches longer than I would like . I just had to take my 2yr required continuing ed class this winter and believe it or not they were pushing wood foundations again . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Ez ryder said: then you still need Polly and a stud wall to attach drywall and what not . and to get same R you would need 3 inches of foam on ext of home . I may go with standard construction but have wanted a icf for some time now . and this project will be on my free time so woodframe could end up elements for stretches longer than I would like . I just had to take my 2yr required continuing ed class this winter and believe it or not they were pushing wood foundations again . You don't really need r value if you have a thermal break. I've been planning a sip over timber frame and Ive been thinking about icf for the foundation, but for the above reasons I think it's overkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdels Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Seriously, styrofoam houses, all things considered in here the last week or so thats pure comedy gold. You guys are slipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, jdels said: Seriously, styrofoam houses, all things considered in here the last week or so thats pure comedy gold. You guys are slipping. Barb needs to refocus his business case? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 My parents are building a passive home .google PASSIVE HOMES ! stupid expensive ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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