Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 7, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 7, 2019 https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/437719-ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats But many of the allegations shared with me by more than a half-dozen senior Ukrainian officials are supported by evidence that emerged in recent U.S. court filings and intelligence reports. The Ukrainians told me their evidence includes: Sworn statements from two Ukrainian officials admitting that their agency tried to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton. The effort included leaking an alleged ledger showing payments to then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort; Contacts between Democratic figures in Washington and Ukrainian officials that involved passing along dirt on Donald Trump; Financial records showing a Ukrainian natural gas company routed more than $3 million to American accounts tied to Hunter Biden, younger son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, who managed U.S.-Ukraine relations for the Obama administration. Biden’s son served on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings; Records that Vice President Biden pressured Ukrainian officials in March 2016 to fire the prosecutor who oversaw an investigation of Burisma Holdings and who planned to interview Hunter Biden about the financial transfers; Correspondence showing members of the State Department and U.S. Embassy in Kiev interfered or applied pressure in criminal cases on Ukrainian soil; Disbursements of as much as $7 billion in Ukrainian funds that prosecutors believe may have been misappropriated or taken out of the country, including to the United States. Ukrainian officials say they don’t want to hand the evidence to FBI agents working in Ukraine because they believe the bureau has a close relationship with the NABU and the U.S. Embassy. “It is no secret in Ukrainian political circles that the NABU was created with American help and tried to exert influence during the U.S. presidential election,” Kulyk told me. Kulyk’s boss, Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, told me he has enough evidence — particularly involving Biden, his family and money spirited out of Ukraine — to warrant a meeting with U.S. Attorney General William Barr. “I’m looking forward to meeting with the attorney general of the United States in order to start and facilitate our joint investigation regarding the appropriation of another $7 billion in U.S. dollars with Ukrainian legal origin,” Lutsenko said. I wrote last week that Biden, in 2016, pressured Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to fire Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Burisma. Kulyk confirmed Ukraine is investigating that alleged incident: “We have evidence and witnesses stating that Joe Biden applied pressure on Ukrainian law enforcement to stop the investigation.” Ukrainians officials have gone public in recent days with their frustrations after months of trying to deliver the evidence quietly to the Trump Department of Justice (DOJ) fizzled. Unable to secure visas from the U.S. Embassy, some Ukrainian law enforcement officials sought backdoor channels, Kulyk said. One of those avenues involved reaching out last fall to a former federal prosecutor from the George W. Bush years, according to interviews. He delivered a written summary of some of the Ukrainian allegations to the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan, along with an offer to connect U.S. investigators with individuals purporting to have the evidence. There was no response or follow-up, according to multiple people directly familiar with the effort. More recently, President Trump’s private attorney Rudy Giuliani — former mayor and former U.S. attorney in New York City — learned about some of the allegations while, on behalf of the Trump legal team, he looked into Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election. Since then, Lutsenko and others have talked with other American lawyers about helping to file U.S. legal action to recover money they believe was wrongly taken from their country. “It’s like no one at DOJ is listening. There is some compelling evidence that should at least be looked at, evaluated, but the door seems shut at both State and Justice,” said an American who has been contacted for help and briefed on the evidence. State Department officials declined to address whether they denied or slow-walked visas for Ukrainian officials. “Visa records are confidential under U.S. law; therefore, we cannot discuss the details of individual visa cases,” a department spokesperson said. Ukraine’s evidence, if true, would mark the first documented allegation of Democrats receiving assistance from a foreign power in their efforts to help Clinton win the 2016 election. “It looks like there is some evidence emerging that there could have been a proxy war between Russia and Ukraine to secure their preferred American president during the 2016 race,” said a former top intelligence official who now advises the Trump administration on intelligence policy. There is public-source information, in Ukraine and in the United States, that gives credence to some of what Ukrainian prosecutors allege. A court in Ukraine formally concluded that law enforcement officials there illegally tried to intervene in the 2016 U.S. election by leaking documents of Manafort’s business dealings after he was named Trump’s campaign chairman. And a Ukrainian parliamentarian released a purported tape recording of a top Ukrainian law enforcement official bragging that he was responsible for the leak and was trying to help Clinton win. Lutsenko told Hill.TV in an interview aired last week that he has opened a criminal investigation into those allegations. Nellie Ohr, wife of a senior Justice official and a researcher for the Fusion GPS opposition research firm, testified to Congress last year that some of Fusion GPS’s research on Trump-Russia ties came from a Ukrainian parliamentarian. The Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump. Although Ohr acknowledged the Ukrainian source, lawmakers did not press her to be more specific. And Politico reported in 2017 on evidence of Ukraine’s U.S. embassy helping the Clinton campaign to discredit Trump. “A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia,” the newspaper reported. Separately, the conservative nonprofit Citizens United last month filed a lawsuit seeking to force the State Department to disclose all information it possesses about Hunter Biden and his business partners involved with Ukraine-based Burisma Holdings. If Ukrainian prosecutors can augment their allegations with real evidence, there could be a true case of collusion worth investigating. The only question is why the U.S. government so far hasn’t taken interest — and whether Attorney General Barr will change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 See that Biden is a commie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted May 7, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted May 7, 2019 Neither side wants to actually prove the other did something illegal, they only want to look like they are trying to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 It was always the Ukraine, not Russia that was interfering in the 2016 elections. that's why they arrested Manafort. He has a deep understanding of Ukraine that the deep state wants to be kept under wraps. That's why they placed a gag order on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 7, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 7, 2019 And Creepy Joe has the balls to warn Trump about going after his family...sorry dipshit but your son is neck deep in this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 58 minutes ago, Kivalo said: Neither side wants to actually prove the other did something illegal, they only want to look like they are trying to. I agree. If anyone thinks only "one side" is engaging in this shit they are naive as hell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 7, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Anler said: I agree. If anyone thinks only "one side" is engaging in this shit they are naive as hell... It’s all just a big exclusive club and none of us are getting invitations to join. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: It’s all just a big exclusive club and none of us are getting invitations to join. wait.....are you saying f7ben had been right for a decade???!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: wait.....are you saying f7ben had been right for a decade???!!!!! No, kill yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: No, kill yourself? Yup....I'm right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Yup....I'm right I don’t want to admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: I don’t want to admit it. It'll only hurt a little....I'll just put the tip in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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