Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 31, 2018 22 hours ago, Mainecat said: So it’s a wash and everyone gets coverage? According to CMS (here) our National Healthcare Expenditure (NHE) is projected to hit $3.207 trillion this year. The U.S. Population is currently hovering at around 320 million, so 2015 looks to be the first year healthcare spending will reach $10,000 per person.Jan 4, 2015 You forget that they are estimating 50% savings in order to get to the figures they are calculating. No deductibles and no copay's nation wide and you think it can be done for the same cost without massively reducing costs somewhere? You guys crack me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, SmeeAgain said: Bold: 100%!!! It's a business first and foremost, just because we may get better isn't the reason they're there. Wow, sounds like making health care a commodity isn't working out so well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 31, 2018 Not one country has estimated NHC costs correctly. They all have had issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: Not one country has estimated NHC costs correctly. They all have had issues. Making sure everyone has health care is hard. We probably shouldn't try it and just trust in our doctrine of social Darwinism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeeAgain Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Wow, sounds like making health care a commodity isn't working out so well... Well, they do have an incentive to make you better. If they don't, you'll use someone else next time and they won't get their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, SmeeAgain said: Well, they do have an incentive to make you better. If they don't, you'll use someone else next time and they won't get their money. Not really. There's plenty of other people who haven't gone bankrupt yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Just now, motonoggin said: Making sure everyone has health care is hard. We probably shouldn't try it and just trust in our doctrine of social Darwinism. I thought Communism there was no govt? Why do you support this? Edited July 31, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: I thought Communism there was no govt? Why do you support this? Short term harm reduction to the least amongst us is more important than ideology. And anarcho communism means no state, not no government. An absence of unjustified heirarchies, not an absence of heirarchies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Short term harm reduction to the least amongst us is more important than ideology. And anarcho communism means no state, not no government. An absence of unjustified heirarchies, not an absence of heirarchies. I love that phrase and its lack of realization of the human condition. Edited July 31, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: I love that phrase and its lack of realization of the human condition. Muh human nature!!! Yes, it's totally human nature to enslave other people and use them to enrich yourself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 ”enslave”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: ”enslave”. Slaves get paid? Were your workers slaves when they enrichened you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Zambroski said: ”enslave”. We're barely 150 years out from actual chattel slavery, dickwad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Short term harm reduction to the least amongst us is more important than ideology. And anarcho communism means no state, not no government. An absence of unjustified heirarchies, not an absence of heirarchies. Lets make the govt even more powerful and see if they will relinquish that power. Our military, intelligence and deep state bureaucracy grows as other parts of our govt grows. To protect itself. How can you not see that? Edited July 31, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: Slaves get paid? Were your workers slaves when they enrichened you? Only until they stopped producing enough and I cut them up and fed them to the rest for “motivation”. Note: chains dull cutlery. 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: We're barely 150 years out from actual chattel slavery, dickwad. You mean 450 years, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 19 hours ago, SmeeAgain said: My wife works at the local hospital and the radiologist is/was a Canadian. He stopped practicing in Canada and moved to the US because he wanted to make more money. It sounds as if he makes roughly 10X as much reading for a small hospital here as working there. I don't know what other healthcare employees in Canada make in comparison, but I'd expect differences in pay to be sure. They are the highest paid in the Canadian medical profession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Slaves get paid? Were your workers slaves when they enrichened you? Slaves were 'paid' in room and board, which is probably slightly better than some workers get today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 who doesn't have access to healthcare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Slaves were 'paid' in room and board, which is probably slightly better than some workers get today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Only until they stopped producing enough and I cut them up and fed them to the rest for “motivation”. Note: chains dull cutlery. You mean 450 years, right? No, 150. Goddamn you're fucking dense. 1865 is when chattel slavery officially ended in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: No, 150. Goddamn you're fucking dense. 1865 is when chattel slavery officially ended in the US. Ummm....are you serious? Pretty sure it was 1555. Unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Ummm....are you serious? Pretty sure it was 1555. Unreal. You have to be trolling. No one is this dumb and still walking around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: You have to be trolling. No one is this dumb and still walking around. Wut? If anything I’m only off by a 100 years or so. I don’t know where in the hell some of you get your history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 31, 2018 Noggin was/is the only employer in the country who didn't enslave his workforce. Without question he should be the leader of the new communist area once called America. Too bad they didn't share equally in the sale of the company. You are the epitome of the human nature I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Wut? If anything I’m only off by a 100 years or so. I don’t know where in the hell some of you get your history. What year did slavery end in the United States? Due to Union measures such as the Confiscation Acts and Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, the war effectively ended slavery, even before ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment in December 1865, which formally ended the legal institution throughout the United States. 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Noggin was/is the only employer in the country who didn't enslave his workforce. Without question he should be the leader of the new communist area once called America. Too bad they didn't share equally in the sale of the company. You are the epitome of the human nature I'm talking about. Yet more proof that you're unable to form a cogent argument against what I have presented. This saw is old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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