Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Wildcat said: IT says Police cannot legally shoot fleeing suspects unless they pose a threat to an officer's life or unless the officer has a good-faith belief the suspect poses a substantial danger to the public He was absolutly a threat. A fleeing vehicle isn't ramming and barely running dude over. yes..but he was running on his damn feet when he got shot in the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Capt.Storm said: yes..but he was running on his damn feet when he got shot in the back. Why do they shoot fleeing prisoners? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 The video comes from the officers, they knew it was on tape. So they obviously thought they were well within their right to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Just now, Capt.Storm said: yes..but he was running on his damn feet when he got shot in the back. There is no video of that. he could have turned around with anything in his hand and i would have shot him flat out. He already made it clear he gave 0 fucks about anyone's life trying to steal a shit jag anyhow. Once you cross that line any unclear movement is going to get you in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, DAVE said: Why do they shoot fleeing prisoners? do they? Diff deal I guess. Edited August 6, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckf Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, DAVE said: Ya i always love the comments from the seasoned veterans....hell cops were more corrupt back in the day then they are now...:lol: He wasn't talking about them being corrupt. It was the fact that departments needed to fill jobs and were taking on new guys that aren't qualified to fill the positions because that's all that was available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Just now, Wildcat said: There is no video of that. he could have turned around with anything in his hand and i would have shot him flat out. He already made it clear he gave 0 fucks about anyone's life trying to steal a shit jag anyhow. Once you cross that line any unclear movement is going to get you in trouble. Ive been saying this all along... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Just now, DAVE said: Why do they shoot fleeing prisoners? Bingo... Larger picture. Your rights get moved into a different bracket when you start becoming a danger to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Wildcat said: There is no video of that. he could have turned around with anything in his hand and i would have shot him flat out. He already made it clear he gave 0 fucks about anyone's life trying to steal a shit jag anyhow. Once you cross that line any unclear movement is going to get you in trouble. well if they found a weapon of any type it has not been reported yet that i know of. Maybe he was shitting bricks out his ass though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Hey..I don't write the laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 This happens daily in Detroit with private citizens. Guy tries to jack a car, owner is armed, criminal turns to run and gets a back full of slugs. Is that fine ? Or should the owner be charged with murder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) I mean you would think stop or I will shoot would be legal and maybe it was before 1985. The phrase "Stop Or I'll Shoot" embodies a common idea, popularized in fiction, that a police officer need only identify himself to a criminal suspect as an officer of the law, and that after this, if the suspect resists the officer, the officer is justified in containing the situation by any means he sees fit, up to and including deadly force. This idea is flawed. In real life, police officers are required to use a reasonable amount of force, ideally the minimum necessary to contain a situation; they can't just begin shooting or swinging their nightsticks willy-nilly whenever a perp runs or tells them off, or even if a suspect fights back. Many, many lawsuits against police departments are grounded on the alleged use of "excessive force" and "Police Brutality". Indeed, since 1985, police are not allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect unless he or she can be shown to pose a threat of death or dangerous injury to others. Edited August 6, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 6, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, DAVE said: Did they know he was unarmed? Unreal.....they had no idea what the fuck they were doing...watch the video again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, ckf said: He wasn't talking about them being corrupt. It was the fact that departments needed to fill jobs and were taking on new guys that aren't qualified to fill the positions because that's all that was available. Ya ya...ive heard that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 6, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 6, 2016 8 minutes ago, Wildcat said: There is no video of that. he could have turned around with anything in his hand and i would have shot him flat out. He already made it clear he gave 0 fucks about anyone's life trying to steal a shit jag anyhow. Once you cross that line any unclear movement is going to get you in trouble. OK Dirty Harry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 minute ago, DAVE said: Ya ya...ive heard that before. Prolly true then eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Biggie Smails said: Unreal.....they had no idea what the fuck they were doing...watch the video again. Put yourself in their position....you would be shooting everyone im guessing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Just now, Capt.Storm said: Prolly true then eh? People get fired from jobs all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Just now, DAVE said: People get fired from jobs all the time. mostly fresh cops I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 6, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DAVE said: Put yourself in their position....you would be shooting everyone im guessing... Well at least you'd be safe....no running away for you....waddling maybe... Edited August 6, 2016 by Biggie Smails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Biggie Smails said: While he did steal a car, nearly run over an officer and then slam into a patrol car but at the point does he as unarmed fleeing suspect deserve to be shot in the back and killed? Seems as if the officers were trigger happy and on the video you can hear them ask in confusion if the suspect shot at them....bad deal all the way around. http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/us/chicago-police-shooting-video-release/ Jims first post says it best yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 6 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: I mean you would think stop or I will shoot would be legal and maybe it was before 1985. The phrase "Stop Or I'll Shoot" embodies a common idea, popularized in fiction, that a police officer need only identify himself to a criminal suspect as an officer of the law, and that after this, if the suspect resists the officer, the officer is justified in containing the situation by any means he sees fit, up to and including deadly force. This idea is flawed. In real life, police officers are required to use a reasonable amount of force, ideally the minimum necessary to contain a situation; they can't just begin shooting or swinging their nightsticks willy-nilly whenever a perp runs or tells them off, or even if a suspect fights back. Many, many lawsuits against police departments are grounded on the alleged use of "excessive force" and "Police Brutality". Indeed, since 1985, police are not allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect unless he or she can be shown to pose a threat of death or dangerous injury to others. What if he hopped in another car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Just now, Biggie Smails said: OK Dirty Harry. Im not saying this was justified. Just saying its borderline possible. I have been in the city in shit areas at the wrong time. His sister was saying in the press conference he had goals and was going somewhere. GTFOH No one steals cars in that spot of life. You go to work and earn the right to buy that shit. Not by stealing or stepping on others to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, DAVE said: What if he hopped in another car? Edited August 6, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Well at least you'd be safe....no running away for you....waddling maybe... Personal insults means ive won... Edited August 6, 2016 by DAVE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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