Angry ginger Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Yup, so now we are back to subsidising them though higher and higher premiums. Neal I had a good conversation with a friend whose a billing specialist at the local hospital. IF i get treated there and get a bill with no insurance they will knock 60% right off the top and set up a billing plan for the rest. if we actually had real rates on care that would be a good start, theres zero reason to mark medical care up that much and if you have any insurance then you get the insurance companies rate and that could be 10% of the full rate like my sons knee was or it could be 70% if you have some shitty plan so you might pay more than if you had none and called. We need to pull the mystery out of healthcare costs, publish real rates and make people pay for 100% of their insurance so they see the real cost. Companies can raise wages to help pay for it but hiding the true cost is what allowed it to get out of control IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just now, steve from amherst said: I didn't realize you were a chic. I should get 50% credit on those! I get a good bump on the tax deduction for them, so counting their birth as my hospital time is justified. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, Zambroski said: I played along....but you really didn't answer my question, did you? I absolutely answered your questions, with specific examples. if you can't figure them out from there, you're really not worth conversing with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 20, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 20, 2017 So you ,were there as a guest then? Not the patient? When was the last time you spent an overnight in the hospital as a patient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DriftBusta Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: I had a good conversation with a friend whose a billing specialist at the local hospital. IF i get treated there and get a bill with no insurance they will knock 60% right off the top and set up a billing plan for the rest. if we actually had real rates on care that would be a good start, theres zero reason to mark medical care up that much and if you have any insurance then you get the insurance companies rate and that could be 10% of the full rate like my sons knee was or it could be 70% if you have some shitty plan so you might pay more than if you had none and called. We need to pull the mystery out of healthcare costs, publish real rates and make people pay for 100% of their insurance so they see the real cost. Companies can raise wages to help pay for it but hiding the true cost is what allowed it to get out of control IMO Really? How is that even legal? wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snoslinger Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: I had a good conversation with a friend whose a billing specialist at the local hospital. IF i get treated there and get a bill with no insurance they will knock 60% right off the top and set up a billing plan for the rest. if we actually had real rates on care that would be a good start, theres zero reason to mark medical care up that much and if you have any insurance then you get the insurance companies rate and that could be 10% of the full rate like my sons knee was or it could be 70% if you have some shitty plan so you might pay more than if you had none and called. We need to pull the mystery out of healthcare costs, publish real rates and make people pay for 100% of their insurance so they see the real cost. Companies can raise wages to help pay for it but hiding the true cost is what allowed it to get out of control IMO while that may work for a few patients, it wouldn't work if many did it. Edited December 20, 2017 by Snoslinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Angry ginger said: I had a good conversation with a friend whose a billing specialist at the local hospital. IF i get treated there and get a bill with no insurance they will knock 60% right off the top and set up a billing plan for the rest. if we actually had real rates on care that would be a good start, theres zero reason to mark medical care up that much and if you have any insurance then you get the insurance companies rate and that could be 10% of the full rate like my sons knee was or it could be 70% if you have some shitty plan so you might pay more than if you had none and called. We need to pull the mystery out of healthcare costs, publish real rates and make people pay for 100% of their insurance so they see the real cost. Companies can raise wages to help pay for it but hiding the true cost is what allowed it to get out of control IMO I concur. However if we set up a decent single payer system that would be better yet. I was talking to a friend last night at the high school boys basketball game. He was telling me a story of someone he knew that was a financial auditor, he ended up getting cancer and having months of repetitive chemo. He said the guy went though the bills with a fine tooth comb. Charges for the exact same services (3 day chemo treatment) would vary by as much as $9,000. WTF. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: So you ,were there as a guest then? Not the patient? When was the last time you spent an overnight in the hospital as a patient? Indeed. Only once 15 years ago for a CAT scan. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 20, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 20, 2017 And that is the problem. If we don't get HC costs under control we will never get HI costs under control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: You're really gonna try and paint Trump as part of the Washington establishment? Thats where you go wrong big time imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 20, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: Indeed. Only once 15 years ago for a CAT scan. Neal You spent an overnight for a cat scan? Who did it the overnight janitor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Really? How is that even legal? wow. yup she gave examples where people would be better off even if they had insurance with saying they had none. But lets face it they all do that in some way. my sons knee surgery bill was almost 60 grand, the insurance negotiated rate was a bit over 6000 plus the cost of the implants which was $2700 i think so more than 80% off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Really? How is that even legal? wow. Well, they bill insurance companies double to cover all the people who don't pay. We can't even make that kind of deal because we are insured. It's fucked. Just now, DriftBusta said: You're really gonna try and paint Trump as part of the Washington establishment? Thats where you go wrong big time imo. He's a fascist oligarch just like the rest of them. The only reason you think he's some sort of savior is because of partisanship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: You're really gonna try and paint Trump as part of the Washington establishment? Thats where you go wrong big time imo. He is behaving just the same, zero care for the citizens, promotes agenda that helps himself and those elites like him. Didn't follow through on campaign promises, isn't concerned with fixing the system, continually creating strife instead of cooperation. Seems like he has all the establishment checkboxes ticked to me... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: You spent an overnight for a cat scan? Who did it the overnight janitor? I did, I was admitted very late in the evening. No, it was a doctor. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: You're really gonna try and paint Trump as part of the Washington establishment? Thats where you go wrong big time imo. sweet fuck. he's actually worse and you're too fucking dumb to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: I absolutely answered your questions, with specific examples. if you can't figure them out from there, you're really not worth conversing with No you didn't. Here: 46 minutes ago, Zambroski said: I'm trying to stay off of the Slinger Hog pile but, can you give a few examples of the families that will suffer from this? Seems like a simple question asking for a couple of specific families since you stated millions of families will suffer from this Bill. 39 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: jesus dude, do you pay any attention to real news, or do any critical thinking on your own? live under a rock? obamacare is going to die quicker now, so many people are going to lose their health insurance. entitlement programs are going to be slashed because the conservatives will suddenly be concerned about the deficit again. there alone are two major hits to quite a bit of families. shift/spin/deflect/lie.....add insults....shift/spin/deflect.....add narratives.....shift/spin/deflect........repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: sweet fuck. he's actually worse and you're too fucking dumb to see it. You've been calling people dumb for 5 years dude, all while being wrong 90% of the time. I'll consider the source. Donna Brazile outed the party you have blindly supported, and we warned you of the same for those same 5 years before she went public. Sure, double down on the name calling. It's worked so well for your side. Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Just now, Zambroski said: No you didn't. Here: Seems like a simple question asking for a couple of specific families since you stated millions of families will suffer from this Bill. shift/spin/deflect/lie.....add insults....shift/spin/deflect.....add narratives.....shift/spin/deflect........repeat. ok, the browns down the road, the martins where we used to live, and the jones, neighbors of my parents. for fuck's sake. do you think all this stuff is "fake news"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: ok, the browns down the road, the martins where we used to live, and the jones, neighbors of my parents. for fuck's sake. do you think all this stuff is "fake news"? I missed you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: He is behaving just the same, zero care for the citizens, promotes agenda that helps himself and those elites like him. Didn't follow through on campaign promises, isn't concerned with fixing the system, continually creating strife instead of cooperation. Seems like he has all the establishment checkboxes ticked to me... Neal Are you for real? Just last night a tax bill was passed that will put more money in your pocket. I'm not going to bother pointing out all the other things hes doing that are right for the country. Just stop already. The establishment is fighting him tooth and nail. Fight them, not the guy on your side. Here's a hint, David Gregory and Chuck Todd are inside the beltway elitist fucking assholes, not your friends. Start there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: while that may work for a few patients, it wouldn't work if many did it. of course it would work if people actually had real published rates for care they could actually have cheaper catastrophic plans and then just pay out of pocket for normal care. Auto insurance doesn't pay for oil changes so why should healthcare pay for basic maint of our bodies. But if your telling me as a consumer its $500 when i walk through the door but really only are expecting $200 it doesn't allow for people to make that choice rationally. I saved 4k on my side of the premium and company gave me 1000 in my hsa to pay for basic care by taking a high deduc plan, I banked the savings into my HSA. Worst case if the shit hits the fan I am out an additional $1600 over the traditional insurance plan but if it's a normal year i should save money in my HSA and roll it to next year get to year 3 4 5 with no real issues which isn't abnormal for the average family and I have a significant kitty and can afford even higher deductibles Personally I would prefer UHC but if we are not going that way we need to move to transparent cost of care and cost of the insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: He is behaving just the same, zero care for the citizens, promotes agenda that helps himself and those elites like him. Didn't follow through on campaign promises, isn't concerned with fixing the system, continually creating strife instead of cooperation. Seems like he has all the establishment checkboxes ticked to me... Neal zactly Trumps the epitome of the elite who have fucked the middle class for decades to line their own pockets and throwing some pocket change to the middle class while lining the rich's pockets doesn't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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