Carlos Danger Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 26 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Venezuela nationalized their oil production so the whole country would see the benefits of the exploitation of their collective natural resources. That kind of thing is a big nono as far as the hyper capitalist West is concerned. Yes but they were very sloppy and shortsighted about it. If they really wanted to make oil profits for the benefit of the whole country than they should have taken great care in retaining the skilled labor that was in charge of oil production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Venezuela nationalized their oil production so the whole country would see the benefits of the exploitation of their collective natural resources. That kind of thing is a big nono as far as the hyper capitalist West is concerned. who knew riots and starvation were such positive benefits? weird...i guess we better do the same. Edited December 19, 2017 by oleroule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka Rider Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Ok, sum it up simply for me. How did Venezuala end up like it is now? Don't say it isn't simple...cuz if you look for just a couple of common denominators, the finger starts to point at just one or two things. 'Splain it then. Again...SIMPLY. I have no interest in some long drawn out world conspiracy story. "One man, his country and his trusty dog, take on the world!" http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-led-economic-war-not-socialism-tearing-venezuela-apart/218335/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Zambroski said: Ok, so...we created this problem so that we could have this problem. Got it. No we created it because we thought we were helping them. We should stop perpetuating that problem under the continued guise of "trying to help the Venezuelan people." We should fuck off and give them the chance to help themselves without our meddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I know, they should give that oil back to the oil companies. Shit will turn around quick then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 48 minutes ago, Muskoka Rider said: http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-led-economic-war-not-socialism-tearing-venezuela-apart/218335/ ' In reality, millions of Venezuelans have seen their living conditions vastly improved through the Bolivarian process. ' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: Venezuela nationalized their oil production so the whole country would see the benefits of the exploitation of their collective natural resources. That kind of thing is a big nono as far as the hyper capitalist West is concerned. International banks devalued their currency and hijacked commodity prices to destroy their economy. They will get control of the oil back and then we will be back to $200 a barrel oil in no time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Funny how Obama is rightly blamed for creating the situation in Libya but when it comes to intervention in Venezuela, all the problems are the fault of Venezuela, not the meddlesome West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Carlos Danger said: Yes but they were very sloppy and shortsighted about it. If they really wanted to make oil profits for the benefit of the whole country than they should have taken great care in retaining the skilled labor that was in charge of oil production. You say this while the economic policies you support have created a lack of skilled laborers in our own country... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Wildboer said: You say this while the economic policies you support have created a lack of skilled laborers in our own country... Venezuela had the people in place it was state policy that made them leave for greener pastures. Apathy has created a shortage of skilled workers in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Venezuela had the people in place it was state policy that made them leave for greener pastures. Apathy has created a shortage of skilled workers in this country. All of what you just said was caused by colonialist meddling. From "discovering" the Americas to this day, European colonialism is what's fucking up the Americas and nearby island states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, Wildboer said: All of what you just said was caused by colonialist meddling. From "discovering" the Americas to this day, European colonialism is what's fucking up the Americas and nearby island states. Cry me a river. Look Chavez failed of his own accord unfortunately he took the people of Venezuela with him on his ride to the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Oil producer’s incentive was taken away when the government created “the people’s oil”. Entitlements were enacted and the incentive to work started to disappear along with the skilled labor needed for infrastructure and production. I mean, why work? G’ments got this!!! All the while, democracy started taking a back seat as the Chavez’s dictator system got stronger and nobody cared until....entitlements and resources started weirdly getting strained because not enough was being produced anymore and the world wasn’t gonna eat this risky shit show with money still worth something.....but Venny’s money kept getting printed while inflation went through the roof. This type of system fails...EVERY TIME. Meh...FUCKING CAPITALISM!!!!!!.....And the United States!!!!!!!!! And.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said: Cry me a river. Look Chavez failed of his own accord unfortunately he took the people of Venezuela with him on his ride to the bottom. Ok cool, so you agree we should leave Venezuela alone and stop trying to make them a capitalist society? If it sucks for them it's their own problem, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I love watching left wingers tie themselves in to knots defending Chavez the failed dictator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 19, 2017 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 19, 2017 14 hours ago, motonoggin said: Venezuela nationalized their oil production so the whole country would see the benefits of the exploitation of their collective natural resources. That kind of thing is a big nono as far as the hyper capitalist West is concerned. Seems to work in SA and other ME countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: Seems to work in SA and other ME countries. What do you mean by 'work'? We couped Iran because they did the same thing Venezuela did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 19, 2017 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: What do you mean by 'work'? We couped Iran because they did the same thing Venezuela did. Countries with basically only oil as a natural resource that also have govt owned oil. I guess I don't know who runs things in the UAE but it seems to put its oil money to good use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 19 minutes ago, Highmark said: Countries with basically only oil as a natural resource that also have govt owned oil. I guess I don't know who runs things in the UAE but it seems to put its oil money to good use. Is their government democratically elected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said: I love watching left wingers tie themselves in to knots defending Chavez the failed dictator. I'm not defending anyone, I'm criticizing American foreign policy. Get with the program Carlos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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