Snoslinger Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 The attack, apparently carried out by militants affiliated with Islamic State, was the deadliest since Trump took office, yet the U.S. military’s Africa Command still does not have a clear “story board” of facts that commanders usually gather swiftly after deadly incidents. That has senior Pentagon officials and lawmakers suggesting incompetence. The questions arising from the incident, particularly about the availability of additional military support to the patrol, echo those raised in the aftermath of the 2012 Benghazi attack in Libya, which resulted in the deaths of four people: U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, foreign service information officer Sean Smith, and CIA contractors Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods. For months before the ambush, the U.S. military had requested more drones or other surveillance aircraft in Niger and additional military medical support, but those requests met resistance from the U.S. ambassador to the country, who was reluctant to increase the American presence in the country, according to a U.S. official briefed on the attack. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-fg-trump-niger-20171019-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 then there's the "talk" that because of trump's travel ban, chad, who was helping us with protection in that area, pulled their troops out in anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: then there's the "talk" that because of trump's travel ban, chad, who was helping us with protection in that area, pulled their troops out in anger. Yup.... Trump decides to ban immigrants from Chad. Chad pulls its very effective troops out of Niger. Without the protection of African troops, Americans are killed by ISIS the following week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Yup.... Trump decides to ban immigrants from Chad. Chad pulls its very effective troops out of Niger. Without the protection of African troops, Americans are killed by ISIS the following week. which could explain the admin being so "hush hush" on all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: which could explain the admin being so "hush hush" on all this. This is the first in a long line of things to come. The results of Trump alienating the US from the world and especially our allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mainecat said: This is the first in a long line of things to come. The results of Trump alienating the US from the world and especially our allies. i have no doubt about that. i'm just not ready to jump to conclusions here, unlike the righties when it came to BENGAZI!!!!! there could very well be other reasons this attack happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: then there's the "talk" that because of trump's travel ban, chad, who was helping us with protection in that area, pulled their troops out in anger. THE TALK?????? You mean the Maddow conspiracy theory even the Huffington Post said: What The Hell Was This Rachel Maddow Segment? I gotta say it again... when you don't link, there's always more... It was a vintage Rachel Maddow stemwinder. A deft, 25-minute weaving of carefully curated sound bites, screenshots of news reports, slick maps and graphics, all strung together to make the case that something fishy is afoot. It’s a style Maddow has perfected, and it has propelled her to the top of the ratings heap. There was just one problem. Maddow’s theory was so flimsy that it could be debunked by a quick glance at a map, let alone a phone call with an expert. Janet Malcolm of The New Yorker recently described Maddow’s show as “a piece of sleight of hand presented as a cable news show. It is TV entertainment at its finest. It permits liberals to enjoy themselves during what may be the most thoroughly unenjoyable time of their political lives.” Thursday night’s entertainment came in an attempt to pin the ambush that killed four Green Berets in Niger earlier this month on President Donald Trump’s newest proposed travel ban, which was scheduled to go into effect this week but was struck down in federal court. Maddow seized on the revised ban’s inclusion of Chad, one of Niger’s neighbors and a U.S. partner in counterterrorism efforts in Africa. An expert, Maddow noted, warned that the decision “could put Americans in harm’s way.” Last week, when the Chadian government announced that it had completed the two-week process of pulling out all of its troops from Niger, the move was viewed as related to the travel ban, she claimed. An uptick in extremist attacks has ensued, Maddow added, which “might explain why we have just had these four absolutely unbelievable gut-wrenching emotional days in American politics and in D.C. in particular.” Maddow’s segment was designed to strongly suggest, without outright stating, that Trump’s addition of Chad in his latest travel ban prompted the country to remove its troops from Niger, leading to an increase in extremist attacks and ultimately claiming the lives of four U.S. soldiers. Chad’s pullout from Niger “had an immediate effect in emboldening ISIS attacks,” Maddow said. That appears to be false. According to the Council on Foreign Relations and accounts from local residents, the attacks that have increased can be traced back to militant group Boko Haram, which is based just across the border in Nigeria. A group of Boko Haram militants broke away and formed the Islamic State West Africa, Laura Seay, an assistant professor in Colby College’s Department of Government, told HuffPost. But they are separate from the so-called Islamic State in the Greater Sahara, the group that reportedly carried out the ambush (although no group has claimed responsibility for the attack). Chadian troops were present in Niger specifically to ward off the Boko Haram threat ― they had nothing to do with Islamic State in the Greater Sahara. They were also based almost 800 miles away, in an area called Diffa that’s long been battling the group, Seay said. Any expert asked about Chadian troops battling ISIS in Niger would have said “No, that’s crazy,” Seay added. ”Everybody that I know is appalled by this. I would like to think that Maddow’s researchers are more responsible.” Plus, the pullout of Chadian troops isn’t necessarily related to the travel ban, as Maddow implied. “It may have already been planned and [the travel ban] was the straw that broke the camel’s back,” Seay said. “Chadians didn’t want to keep their forces there forever and were at least looking to scale down. If we do see the travel ban lifted I’m not sure you’d see the Chadians go back in.” Maddow referred to the ambush as “absolutely baffling.” But an attack of this nature was “almost inevitable,” Seay added, seeing as American special forces teams are operating in remote areas in an “advise-and-assist” capacity, training military personnel across the region. Army Green Berets, for example, have gone to the Mali-Niger border 29 times in the last six months. And even though they’re technically in an advisory capacity, it’s not uncommon for these troops to end up in the line of fire, she noted. “They go on patrol with local military so they’re technically not fighting. But really they’re right there together.” “There has been an increase of violence in this area and nearby areas for more than a year, and the overall security situation has been getting worse,” said Andrew Lebovich, a visiting fellow with the European Council on Foreign Relations. The Rachel Maddow Show declined to comment to HuffPost. The Trump era has been a boon for the Rachel Maddow Show. It was the highest rated cable news program in total viewers and the coveted age 25-54 demographic in the most recent quarter this year. “By reducing the story to its mythic fundamentals,” Janet Malcolm wrote earlier this month, “Maddow creates the illusion of completeness that novels and short stories create. We feel that this is the story as we listen to and watch her tell it.” It’s a tactic that right-wing hosts like Sean Hannity and Alex Jones have perfected, building myths using unrelated or unreliable information in ways that brought us the birther lie and Benghazi controversy, putting the country on a path to fake news and the Trump presidency. On Thursday, Maddow reduced the story so thoroughly that it lost any semblance of the larger truth. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-niger-travel-ban_us_59ea060fe4b05b4f1c3ad52f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Trump is making no friends and costing Americans possibly their lives. This is the direct result of electing a president with zero political experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 yep, "talk" snakey. just like all the "talk" about bengazi. the difference here, i didn't dive into it head first, like you and others. i realize there's all kinds of things that could have happened there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snake Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: Trump is making no friends and costing Americans possibly their lives. This is the direct result of electing a president with zero political experience. Fuck the facts! Full steam ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 21, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 21, 2017 Holy fucking stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: yep, "talk" snakey. just like all the "talk" about bengazi. the difference here, i didn't dive into it head first, like you and others. i realize there's all kinds of things that could have happened there. The talk. Her talk and her talk only. She was eviscerated. By many. May be you should not have dove in head first and researched the 'stemwinder'... First David Brock, now Maddow? How much lower can the bar go Dude??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Well snot was jarred by snake again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Rod Johnson said: Well snot was jarred by snake again Imagine how scary his bookmarks list is..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, Snake said: THE TALK?????? You mean the Maddow conspiracy theory even the Huffington Post said: What The Hell Was This Rachel Maddow Segment? I gotta say it again... when you don't link, there's always more... It was a vintage Rachel Maddow stemwinder. A deft, 25-minute weaving of carefully curated sound bites, screenshots of news reports, slick maps and graphics, all strung together to make the case that something fishy is afoot. It’s a style Maddow has perfected, and it has propelled her to the top of the ratings heap. There was just one problem. Maddow’s theory was so flimsy that it could be debunked by a quick glance at a map, let alone a phone call with an expert. Janet Malcolm of The New Yorker recently described Maddow’s show as “a piece of sleight of hand presented as a cable news show. It is TV entertainment at its finest. It permits liberals to enjoy themselves during what may be the most thoroughly unenjoyable time of their political lives.” Thursday night’s entertainment came in an attempt to pin the ambush that killed four Green Berets in Niger earlier this month on President Donald Trump’s newest proposed travel ban, which was scheduled to go into effect this week but was struck down in federal court. Maddow seized on the revised ban’s inclusion of Chad, one of Niger’s neighbors and a U.S. partner in counterterrorism efforts in Africa. An expert, Maddow noted, warned that the decision “could put Americans in harm’s way.” Last week, when the Chadian government announced that it had completed the two-week process of pulling out all of its troops from Niger, the move was viewed as related to the travel ban, she claimed. An uptick in extremist attacks has ensued, Maddow added, which “might explain why we have just had these four absolutely unbelievable gut-wrenching emotional days in American politics and in D.C. in particular.” Maddow’s segment was designed to strongly suggest, without outright stating, that Trump’s addition of Chad in his latest travel ban prompted the country to remove its troops from Niger, leading to an increase in extremist attacks and ultimately claiming the lives of four U.S. soldiers. Chad’s pullout from Niger “had an immediate effect in emboldening ISIS attacks,” Maddow said. That appears to be false. According to the Council on Foreign Relations and accounts from local residents, the attacks that have increased can be traced back to militant group Boko Haram, which is based just across the border in Nigeria. A group of Boko Haram militants broke away and formed the Islamic State West Africa, Laura Seay, an assistant professor in Colby College’s Department of Government, told HuffPost. But they are separate from the so-called Islamic State in the Greater Sahara, the group that reportedly carried out the ambush (although no group has claimed responsibility for the attack). Chadian troops were present in Niger specifically to ward off the Boko Haram threat ― they had nothing to do with Islamic State in the Greater Sahara. They were also based almost 800 miles away, in an area called Diffa that’s long been battling the group, Seay said. Any expert asked about Chadian troops battling ISIS in Niger would have said “No, that’s crazy,” Seay added. ”Everybody that I know is appalled by this. I would like to think that Maddow’s researchers are more responsible.” Plus, the pullout of Chadian troops isn’t necessarily related to the travel ban, as Maddow implied. “It may have already been planned and [the travel ban] was the straw that broke the camel’s back,” Seay said. “Chadians didn’t want to keep their forces there forever and were at least looking to scale down. If we do see the travel ban lifted I’m not sure you’d see the Chadians go back in.” Maddow referred to the ambush as “absolutely baffling.” But an attack of this nature was “almost inevitable,” Seay added, seeing as American special forces teams are operating in remote areas in an “advise-and-assist” capacity, training military personnel across the region. Army Green Berets, for example, have gone to the Mali-Niger border 29 times in the last six months. And even though they’re technically in an advisory capacity, it’s not uncommon for these troops to end up in the line of fire, she noted. “They go on patrol with local military so they’re technically not fighting. But really they’re right there together.” “There has been an increase of violence in this area and nearby areas for more than a year, and the overall security situation has been getting worse,” said Andrew Lebovich, a visiting fellow with the European Council on Foreign Relations. The Rachel Maddow Show declined to comment to HuffPost. The Trump era has been a boon for the Rachel Maddow Show. It was the highest rated cable news program in total viewers and the coveted age 25-54 demographic in the most recent quarter this year. “By reducing the story to its mythic fundamentals,” Janet Malcolm wrote earlier this month, “Maddow creates the illusion of completeness that novels and short stories create. We feel that this is the story as we listen to and watch her tell it.” It’s a tactic that right-wing hosts like Sean Hannity and Alex Jones have perfected, building myths using unrelated or unreliable information in ways that brought us the birther lie and Benghazi controversy, putting the country on a path to fake news and the Trump presidency. On Thursday, Maddow reduced the story so thoroughly that it lost any semblance of the larger truth. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-niger-travel-ban_us_59ea060fe4b05b4f1c3ad52f Slinger....you got fucking OWNED here. And trust me....THIS IS NOT BENGHAZI. What a joke of a correlation. But, it all fits the left narrative so...RUN WITH IT! "Same". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted October 21, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 21, 2017 Two fucking idiots sucking off Dump 24/7 Dumpers are the dumbest motherfuckers in America 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Snake said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, SnowRider said: Two fucking idiots sucking off Dump 24/7 Dumpers are the dumbest motherfuckers in America 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Two fucking idiots sucking off Dump 24/7 Dumpers are the dumbest motherfuckers in America 👍 Trump is you're president tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Slinger....you got fucking OWNED here. And trust me....THIS IS NOT BENGHAZI. What a joke of a correlation. But, it all fits the left narrative so...RUN WITH IT! "Same". fact - the admin has clammed up fact - chad removed some protection in the area, because of anger with trump fact - trump is pissing off allies and other foreign nations fact - i'm not buying into the conspiracy yet now kindly fuck off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: fact - the admin has clammed up fact - chad removed some protection in the area, because of anger with trump fact - trump is pissing off allies and other foreign nations fact - i'm not buying into the conspiracy yet now kindly fuck off Dude, just stop it. You've already bought in to your sides complete nonsense. That's why you posted this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: OMG Just now, Snoslinger said: fact - the admin has clammed up rather they blame it on a video without knowing what happened? fact - chad removed some protection in the area, because of anger with trump Madcow fail. Proven horseshit. fact - trump is pissing off allies and other foreign nations. They liked it when Obama tossed their salad. fact - i'm not buying into the conspiracy yet. But you'll argue it. now kindly fuck off MEDIC!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Snake said: OMG the video was "suspect" for good reason, and they all proposed an investigation, and did just that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 a movie killed four people in benghazi. that the type of story you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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