motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, SSFB said: I don't see how him saying that means he's trying to sell it as a great capitalist example. He was making the point that these people who think we're exploiting other nations ignore the fact that making $2 a day is still more than they had before and other countries(ours included) went thru that stage and other stages to get to where we are now. They're gaining from it and so are we, win win. Yeah, great. They got to trade starvation for slavery. Isn't it grand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 19, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, Anler said: Do you think the economic sanctions placed on North Korea have anything to do with their situation? China is a communist country so if you are hailing the merits of that I think you and the jew in the video need another example. While China is communist it offers much more economic freedom than NK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Yeah, great. They got to trade starvation for slavery. Isn't it grand? You're looking down on their current position from your pedestal of American privilege. Going from their prior position to where they are now is a huge step forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, SSFB said: You're looking down on their current position from your pedestal of American privilege. Going from their prior position to where they are now is a huge step forward. Yeah, that sounds an awful lot like the justifications for slavery made by Americans in the 19th century. "Hey, them negroes got it better here than they did in Africa" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Nevermind the fact that he's presenting a Sophie's choice. Slavery under transnational corporations vs starvation in a feudal system. And you just buy it wholesale with zero examination... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 19, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: I'm not allowed to criticize the current system while I'm benefitting from it? Can you explain your fucking logic, please? Its one thing to criticize its wholly another to want tear down the current system you and your employee's benefit from and even suggest killing those just like yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 If you take what he's saying to its rational conclusion, it is better to make money off slaves, as long as the conditions of their slavery are slightly better than their lives were previous to their enslavement, so exploitation is okay. Plus we make tons of fucking money and drive down wages in the developed world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Yeah, that sounds an awful lot like the justifications for slavery made by Americans in the 19th century. "Hey, them negroes got it better here than they did in Africa" Except nobody is arguing in favor of owning humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Nevermind the fact that he's presenting a Sophie's choice. Slavery under transnational corporations vs starvation in a feudal system. And you just buy it wholesale with zero examination... As you already mentioned, in Communist China the State runs the businesses, so it's the State that is doing the slavery. Just another reason government should be tightly contained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 25 minutes ago, SSFB said: As you already mentioned, in Communist China the State runs the businesses, so it's the State that is doing the slavery. Just another reason government should be tightly contained. Authoritarianism should be contained, whether it be in the form of economic or political power. True communism isn't authoritarian, it is democratic, with emphasis on the lower case 'd'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, SSFB said: Except nobody is arguing in favor of owning humans. Except that's essentially what's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 IDGAF. Moto get's a solid fucking A++++ for effort. It's actually quite impressive to watch. Just think...if the worthless liberals had this type of dedication for their fight...they may actually amount to some integrity worth listening to in some people's eyes. Keep up the good fight MOTO...don't let the fuckers get you down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Except that's essentially what's happening. And that's on the government. Two largest enslavers and killers in history......government and religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: IDGAF. Moto get's a solid fucking A++++ for effort. It's actually quite impressive to watch. Just think...if the worthless liberals had this type of dedication for their fight...they may actually amount to some integrity worth listening to in some people's eyes. Keep up the good fight MOTO...don't let the fuckers get you down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yep, with noggin's ideas we would have had 4% of the vote, instead of over half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, SSFB said: And that's on the government. Two largest enslavers and killers in history......government and religion. Lol. You can't just blame 'the government' for all the shitty things about capitalism. Capitalists got into bed with 'the government', and have somehow managed to successfully frame exploitation as a high minded anti poverty program. It's fuckin ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: yep, with noggin's ideas we would have had 4% of the vote, instead of over half Voting isn't going to solve anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Lol. You can't just blame 'the government' for all the shitty things about capitalism. Capitalists got into bed with 'the government', and have somehow managed to successfully frame exploitation as a high minded anti poverty program. It's fuckin ludicrous. Sure I can, government enabled it to happen, just like they have for most all of the genocides on Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, SSFB said: Sure I can, government enabled it to happen, just like they have for most all of the genocides on Earth. Oh, so without government, capitalism wouldn't exploit poverty to its own benefit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Voting isn't going to solve anything. sounds like you have a plan brewing....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: sounds like you have a plan brewing....... Better call it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Oh, so without government, capitalism wouldn't exploit poverty to its own benefit? Except the workers are benefiting as well so the example isn't correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Better call it in. call what in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, SSFB said: Except the workers are benefiting as well so the example isn't correct. "Hey, sambo, you're no longer a slave since I pay you a nickel a week. Aren't I great?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: "Hey, sambo, you're no longer a slave since I pay you a nickel a week. Aren't I great?" Are we just going to go around in a circle on this? If you can't understand that a meager wage by our standards is still much of an improvement for these workers, then there's really no discussion that can be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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