f7ben Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Just now, Highmark said: "Just set the costs." You really think that works and creates the best care possible? What do you say to nurses and doctors when they start not taking on Medicare patients because they are losing money on them? I get it. I get the desire for everyone to have 100% of the care they need at minimal expense to them but in order to accomplish that (set costs) there will be repercussions. It’s going to be tough to accomplish a great system. It would be very easy to accomplish a system better than the idiocy we have now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Why are you assigning them to only democrats? Well because conservatives do not support anything on the list. Was this a serious question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, racer254 said: Well because conservatives do not support anything on the list. Was this a serious question? Trump brought you the vaccines , urged you to get the vaccine and hand delivered us Fauci Number 2-3 are tied together and Trump was the worst peacetime spender in history Trump outlawed more 2nd amendment items than Obama and he also supported red flag laws. Trump was every bit as engaged in the list as anyone else and you supported it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: It’s going to be tough to accomplish a great system. It would be very easy to accomplish a system better than the idiocy we have now. Fact of the matter is someone makes sacrifices. People pay in more or certain care becomes elective or people in the medical fields incomes are held back. There is really no other way around it if we are to control costs. Countries with NHC go thru this and often times their systems have a variety of issues as well. Edited July 14, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 Just now, f7ben said: Trump brought you the vaccines , urged you to get the vaccine and hand delivered us Fauci Number 2-3 are tied together and Trump was the worst peacetime spender in history Trump outlawed more 2nd amendment items than Obama and he also supported red flag laws. Trump was every bit as engaged in the list as anyone else and you supported it. You are wrong as usual. But carry on, just another alinsky tactic you are using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Just now, Highmark said: Fact of the matter is someone makes sacrifices. People pay in more or certain care becomes elective or people in the medical fields incomes are held back. There is really no other way around it if we are to control costs. That is an entirely false premise. Just getting every single person preventative care would accomplish significant savings. Prescriptions are another area where there are big savings waiting. Also why is it that the cash price for medical service is half the insurance billing rate many times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, racer254 said: You are wrong as usual. But carry on, just another alinsky tactic you are using. Great job refuting the absolute 100% facts I posted. Moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, f7ben said: Would you prefer they just work until they are dead so they can continue employee sponsored health plans? I bet way less than 30% are even close to retirement age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Great job refuting the absolute 100% facts I posted. Moron Tell a lie long enough and it may become the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, spin_dry said: So? Back read your own bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, f7ben said: That is an entirely false premise. Just getting every single person preventative care would accomplish significant savings. Prescriptions are another area where there are big savings waiting. Also why is it that the cash price for medical service is half the insurance billing rate many times? No it is not.....its common sense. Again I get the desire its just I try to be pragmatic about it all. Higher rates of preventative care seems like a great idea and would save money but how many people do you think would lose weight if their doctor tells them to. Or stop drinking as much or stop smoking. You don't have to go to a doctor to know you should eat better and increase how much you exercise. Want people to take better care of themselves then make them more responsible for their own HC costs. Prescriptions costs are not the golden egg people make it out to be. About 10% of our HC costs is prescription drugs. If you cut costs in half you now saved 5% on our HC costs. You really think the Pharmaceutical companies can take a 50% reduction without impacting what they come out with or produce? As far as the cash price its likely a combination of things but mostly because of the astronomical administrative costs that come with getting paid from any type of insurance....including Medicare/Medicaid. The verdict of KFF analyst Cynthia Cox: While hospital care is 33% of total U.S. health spending, “retail prescription drugs are only about 10% of our health spending, so even if we slice those drug costs in half, it still wouldn't bring down our total costs nearly as much as if we did something about hospital costs https://fortune.com/longform/health-care-costs-big-pharma-hospital-bills-american-medicine-drug-prices/ Edited July 14, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Holy fuck you are ignorant. Just stop and think for a second dude. It’s about you being a pompous piece of shit with your attitude that those less fortunate in society can simply suck up the crumbs. Meanwhile you and your family get the blue ribbon care. Want to know about control? 75% of the ads purchased In cable news is by medical companies. Private companies control the narrative and you lap it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, spin_dry said: It’s about you being a pompous piece of shit with your attitude that those less fortunate in society can simply suck up the crumbs. Meanwhile you and your family get the blue ribbon care. Want to know about control? 75% of the ads purchased In cable news is by medical companies. Private companies control the narrative and you lap it up. Yes, The left is constantly using Alinsky tactics. When are you visiting Detroit or San Francisco? I heard they were on the list of best places in America. Tell a lie long enough and it may become the truth. LOL Edited July 14, 2022 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, spin_dry said: It’s about you being a pompous piece of shit with your attitude that those less fortunate in society can simply suck up the crumbs. Meanwhile you and your family get the blue ribbon care. Want to know about control? 75% of the ads purchased In cable news is by medical companies. Private companies control the narrative and you lap it up. Where do you come up with this shit. Its priceless. I stated I'm not completely opposed to Medicare and I fully support Medicaid. There simply will be ramifications for whatever system we chose. How many times you been vaccinated against COVID? Talk about a big pharm fuck boy who kneels at their alter. Edited July 14, 2022 by Highmark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 hours ago, f7ben said: It’s going to be tough to accomplish a great system. It would be very easy to accomplish a system better than the idiocy we have now. As long as we have campaign finance laws in place that we do and are pretty much writing all of the legislation, we’re probably gonna be stuck with idiocy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: As long as we have campaign finance laws in place that we do and are pretty much writing all of the legislation, we’re probably gonna be stuck with idiocy. Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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