Anler Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, F3600 said: We'd have continued to go to work, some people would have died from the virus, and the effects of that unknown combination would have dictated which businesses continued to make or lose money. Same for individuals. So no need for bail outs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Traffic accidents must be way down though. Has that been taken into account? Probably boating accidents too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3600 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, Anler said: So no need for bail outs? I'd prefer not but they didnt take my opinion into account in 2008 or 2009 either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, F3600 said: I'd prefer not but they didnt take my opinion into account in 2008 or 2009 either. Well that is motos point. These companies cannot survive without your tax dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 hours ago, motonoggin said: No, it's just capitalism. This is what happens when you let the rich run shit. wrong . govenment control is the backbone your beloved socialism. enjoying what you are seeing . just a taste of your dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I didn’t realize that not leaving your home and wearing a mask were tenets of socialism....idiots. you fucking dolt. what do you call a govenment deciding what biz will stay open what biz will be shut . who stays home and gets a check and who has to go to work or not get a check ? govenment deciding what biz will get a hand out and what biz can fuck them self really what is the word you would use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, motonoggin said: For reference: I am a communist. Communism describes a moneyless, classless, stateless society. Nowhere in that description does it mention state controlled anything. Communism is stateless, meaning the state does not exist. look how fucking great that worked out for the people of Russia real fucking dream world i tell ya . Kim's people are also fucking loving it I am sure Edited May 27, 2020 by Ez ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: wrong . govenment control is the backbone your beloved socialism. enjoying what you are seeing . just a taste of your dream You can't just keep repeating the same shit and wish it to be true. This crisis occurred under capitalism, the government (run 100% by capitalists) is shutting down businesses, issuing stay at home orders, bailing out billionaires, etc. Socialism describes a system in which the workers own and control the means of production. Socialism isn't "when the gubermint duz stuff". Edited May 27, 2020 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: look how fucking great that worked out for the people of Russia real fucking dream world i tell ya . Kim's people are also fucking loving it I am sure The USSR and DPRK were/are both states. Communism is stateless. Therefore... Edited May 27, 2020 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Anler said: So what happens if the govt does nothing? we would still be at about a 99% recovery rate from covid and the country would not have shut down and we would be a few trillion less in debt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, Ez ryder said: we would still be at about a 99% recovery rate from covid and the country would not have shut down and we would be a few trillion less in debt But thanks to capitalism, we have this instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 52 minutes ago, Anler said: Well that is motos point. These companies cannot survive without your tax dollars. so let them fall who gives a shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, motonoggin said: But thanks to capitalism, we have this instead. lime I said a big taste of socialism hope you are enjoying the bitter taste in your mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: you fucking dolt. what do you call a govenment deciding what biz will stay open what biz will be shut . who stays home and gets a check and who has to go to work or not get a check ? govenment deciding what biz will get a hand out and what biz can fuck them self really what is the word you would use Extraordinary measures taken during a once in a century pandemic you fucking crackhead. Saying this is an experiment in Socialism is fucking stupid for you. Edited May 27, 2020 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: so let them fall who gives a shit Your government, owned and operated by capitalists. 21 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: lime I said a big taste of socialism hope you are enjoying the bitter taste in your mouth Lmao. Like a broken record... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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frenchy Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, motonoggin said: But thanks to capitalism, we have this instead. What's happening now is not capitalism. It isn't close. Under a true capitalist construct not a single dime would be given to corporations. They would shutter and re-organize under bankruptcy protection, gutting retirement funds and laying off workers with zero severance or notice en masse. Then, free of those cost burdens new versions of themselves would spring up like a forest does after it is burned to the ground by a raging forest fire. I'm not advocating for that, just saying....this 'bailout of billionaires' you speak of isn't capitalism. In fact it is far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev144 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, frenchy said: What's happening now is not capitalism. It isn't close. Under a true capitalist construct not a single dime would be given to corporations. They would shutter and re-organize under bankruptcy protection, gutting retirement funds and laying off workers with zero severance or notice en masse. Then, free of those cost burdens new versions of themselves would spring up like a forest does after it is burned to the ground by a raging forest fire. I'm not advocating for that, just saying....this 'bailout of billionaires' you speak of isn't capitalism. In fact it is far from it. Shh it makes moto feel valued if he can just post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, motonoggin said: You can't just keep repeating the same shit and wish it to be true. This crisis occurred under capitalism, the government (run 100% by capitalists) is shutting down businesses, issuing stay at home orders, bailing out billionaires, etc. Socialism describes a system in which the workers own and control the means of production. Socialism isn't "when the gubermint duz stuff". it occurred in China too. Is that the fault of 'capitalism'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Extraordinary measures taken during a once in a century pandemic you fucking crackhead. Saying this is an experiment in Socialism is fucking stupid for you. yes it was a great experiment in controlling the herd . you govenment thanks you for being so obideant and continuing to buy the bullshit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, frenchy said: What's happening now is not capitalism. It isn't close. Under a true capitalist construct not a single dime would be given to corporations. They would shutter and re-organize under bankruptcy protection, gutting retirement funds and laying off workers with zero severance or notice en masse. Then, free of those cost burdens new versions of themselves would spring up like a forest does after it is burned to the ground by a raging forest fire. I'm not advocating for that, just saying....this 'bailout of billionaires' you speak of isn't capitalism. In fact it is far from it. It is absolutely capitalism. This is end stage capitalism, where it consumes the state and makes it an appendage to its interests.and affairs. 6 minutes ago, frenchy said: it occurred in China too. Is that the fault of 'capitalism'? China is state capitalist. What was China's economic response vs ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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frenchy Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, motonoggin said: It is absolutely capitalism. This is end stage capitalism, where it consumes the state and makes it an appendage to its interests.and affairs. China is state capitalist. you can make up whatever definition you want that will make it fit your narrative. But this is not capitalism, not in the least. Capitalism is what happened during the great depression, when bailouts were not given and companies and banks were allowed to fail. We can see how well that worked out in hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, frenchy said: you can make up whatever definition you want that will make it fit your narrative. But this is not capitalism, not in the least. Capitalism is what happened during the great depression, when bailouts were not given and companies and banks were allowed to fail. We can see how well that worked out in hindsight. Capitalism caused the great depression. Of course capital doesn't want that to happen again, which is why it consumes the state in order to survive. Edited May 27, 2020 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 27, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: yes it was a great experiment in controlling the herd . you govenment thanks you for being so obideant and continuing to buy the bullshit . Just surpassed 100,000 deaths in this country.....they sure are selling the fuck out of this bullshit!!!!!! Sneaky Sons a bitches! Edited May 27, 2020 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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