Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted December 8, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: no it's not. Not even close. This is all on the individuals LEO's involved. Not on apparent indoctrination from their employers to protect insured property over random human life. Looks more like grave over use of power and bad decisions by double digit IQ's wearing uniforms who carrying weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: no it's not. Not even close. This is all on the individuals LEO's involved. Not on apparent indoctrination from their employers to protect insured property over random human life. So they'll be criminally charged for their conduct here or was it within their mandate to act in this manner?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Skidooski said: Looks more like grave over use of power and bad decisions by double digit IQ's wearing uniforms who carrying weapons yep, that was kind of my point. Lots of those guys in uniform I've never denied that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: So they'll be criminally charged for their conduct here or was it within their mandate to act in this manner?? probably not. And if there was no 'property of the rich' involved the outcome would be the exact same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: yep, that was kind of my point. Lots of those guys in uniform I've never denied that. That's the way the system is designed. Mindless sheep in blue, drunk on the illusion of some power for the first time in their mouth breathing lives doing exactly what the system hired them to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: That's the way the system is designed. Mindless sheep in blue, drunk on the illusion of some power for the first time in their mouth breathing lives doing exactly what the system hired them to do. policing has become far more complicated. Unfortunately the profession has not evolved with the times and begun hiring a different breed of officer. Far too many like you describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, frenchy said: policing has become far more complicated. Unfortunately the profession has not evolved with the times and begun hiring a different breed of officer. Far too many like you describe. Just far too many as a whole. Way too many useless laws Hire less cops , smarter cops , pay them more and make their jobs easier by streamlining the idiotic criminal justice system. Edited December 8, 2019 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 8, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: Just far too many as a whole. Way too many useless laws Hire less cops , smarter cops , pay them more and make their jobs easier by streamlining the idiotic criminal justice system. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: Just far too many as a whole. Way too many useless laws Hire less cops , smarter cops , pay them more and make their jobs easier by streamlining the idiotic criminal justice system. constables here with 5+ years in are all making comfortably north of 6 figures. They get paid well. The profile pool they hire from is just flat out wrong though. with regards to laws - that's not a policing issue. Edited December 8, 2019 by frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 8, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: constables here with 5+ years in are all making comfortably north of 6 figures. They get paid well. The profile pool they hire from is just flat out wrong though. It,s not a job most want to do. Slim pickings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: constables here with 5+ years in are all making comfortably north of 6 figures. They get paid well. The profile pool they hire from is just flat out wrong though. I have no idea what cops make here. City cops probably start at 40k or so. I'd bet sheriff's are getting into the 50-60k range. State troopers probably in the 60k range. I doubt any of then are making even close to 100k unless they are working 3000hrs a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: It,s not a job most want to do. Slim pickings it was until most recently here. There were always a huge backlog of applicants. Millennials and Gen Z don't want to work nights and weekends now though and are afraid of their own shadows so it's becoming that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: I have no idea what cops make here. City cops probably start at 40k or so. I'd bet sheriff's are getting into the 50-60k range. State troopers probably in the 60k range. I doubt any of then are making even close to 100k unless they are working 3000hrs a year a few of my buddies who are Sergeants are making roughly 160-175K. Definitely a good 60-80k more than what these guys are capable of making at best in the private sector with a 5 star pension to boot. Edited December 8, 2019 by frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, frenchy said: a few of my buddies who are Sergeants are making roughly 160-175K. Definitely a good 60-80k more than what these guys are capable of making at best in the private sector with a 5 star pension to boot. That's good money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: That's good money yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 hours ago, frenchy said: probably not. And if there was no 'property of the rich' involved the outcome would be the exact same. They were chasing these guys because they stole jewelery. They killed civilians over jewelery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, motonoggin said: They were chasing these guys because they stole jewelery. They killed civilians over jewelery. No, they were chasing them because they broke the law. They weren’t jewelry police. Chasing perpetrators of the law and enforcing the law, justified. Returning (or initiating fire) recklessly like it’s a god damn war zone is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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frenchy Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 hours ago, motonoggin said: They were chasing these guys because they stole jewelery. They killed civilians over jewelery. Yep. Not because that’s what they are instructed to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: Yep. Not because that’s what they are instructed to do. Bullshit, it's the cop culture to do shit like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Bullshit, it's the cop culture to do shit like this. Why does it seem like you feel the criminals were absolutely no catalyst at all in this? Like they were just “doing what they do and that’s what they do”. Like it should be excused behavior. That’s weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motonoggin Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Zambroski said: Why does it seem like you feel the criminals were absolutely no catalyst at all in this? Like they were just “doing what they do and that’s what they do”. Like it should be excused behavior. That’s weird. Can't control the action of criminals, but you can control the actions of the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: Can't control the action of criminals, but you can control the actions of the police. Not according to the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Can't control the action of criminals, but you can control the actions of the police. The cops are criminals. You say fuck the police. Therefore nobody should hold the cops (criminals) accountable because they’d be cops then........ And around we go..... It’s a perfect example of why taking an all or nothing stance is mental midgetry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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