Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 18, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) Dems: No fly lists should automatically qualify for red flag gun confiscation and inability to purchase guns. Repubs: That's ridiculous without due process and because of the inaccuracy of the lists. Heck the late Sen. Ted Kennedy was on a no fly list. (should have been a no drive list ) Repubs: Gang database should be used as red flag confiscation and inability to purchase guns. Dems: That's ridiculous because of the inaccuracy of the databases. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/democrats-frown-on-targeting-gang-databases-with-red-flag-laws “The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.” Democrats objected with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans. GOP lawmakers have staunchly opposed “No Fly, No Buy” proposals Democrats have tried to pass in the House in recent years because the lists flag the wrong people. Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said. “You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.” Buck pointed out his amendment requires law enforcement to limit red-flagging to only those with probable cause to be included on the list, which is a stricter criteria. Democrats kept objecting, arguing someone could be misidentified as gang members simply for writing “13” on a piece of paper and having it wrongly identified as an MS-13 gang sign. “Maybe you are just doodling because it is the 13th of June,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York said. Buck said police have to meet a much higher threshold to list someone as a gang member. “This is a situation where the police officers are trained, and there are very identifiable signs, and it isn't just one sign,” Buck told Nadler. Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California offered to support the amendment if Buck agreed to include those listed “individuals affiliated with white nationalism.” Buck agreed, but he said the language should include “any type of supremacy.” “Let’s add Cosa Nostra to this,” Buck added. The amendment ultimately failed 11-21, but not before the top Republican on the panel, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, called out Democrats for their hypocrisy. Democrats in 2016 staged a “sit-in” on the House floor, refusing to let the GOP majority conduct legislative business, in part because Republicans would not pass "No-Fly, No-Buy" legislation, which would prevent people on the federal no-fly list from purchasing guns. “It’s amazing to me,” Collins said. “We had a large blow-up on the floor of this House just a couple years ago about the 'No Fly, No Buy' list, which was shown to have issues, but at that point, nobody from the other side brought this is as a concern, and now we are bringing it as a concern,” Collins said. “If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again." “Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.” Edited September 18, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Constant hypocrisy from the left and it all seems to associate with normal law-abiding taxpayer vs criminals. Why are dems always against the normal taxpayer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Take em away from idiots until they can prove they are not. Err on the safe side always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 18, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Take em away from idiots until they can prove they are not. Err on the safe side always. Yeah and hopefully it’s people like you making the decisions on who gets theirs taken away too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Highmark said: Dems: No fly lists should automatically qualify for red flag gun confiscation and inability to purchase guns. Repubs: That's ridiculous without due process and because of the inaccuracy of the lists. Heck the late Sen. Ted Kennedy was on a no fly list. (should have been a no drive list ) Repubs: Gang database should be used as red flag confiscation and inability to purchase guns. Dems: That's ridiculous because of the inaccuracy of the databases. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/democrats-frown-on-targeting-gang-databases-with-red-flag-laws “The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.” Democrats objected with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans. GOP lawmakers have staunchly opposed “No Fly, No Buy” proposals Democrats have tried to pass in the House in recent years because the lists flag the wrong people. Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said. “You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.” Buck pointed out his amendment requires law enforcement to limit red-flagging to only those with probable cause to be included on the list, which is a stricter criteria. Democrats kept objecting, arguing someone could be misidentified as gang members simply for writing “13” on a piece of paper and having it wrongly identified as an MS-13 gang sign. “Maybe you are just doodling because it is the 13th of June,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York said. Buck said police have to meet a much higher threshold to list someone as a gang member. “This is a situation where the police officers are trained, and there are very identifiable signs, and it isn't just one sign,” Buck told Nadler. Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California offered to support the amendment if Buck agreed to include those listed “individuals affiliated with white nationalism.” Buck agreed, but he said the language should include “any type of supremacy.” “Let’s add Cosa Nostra to this,” Buck added. The amendment ultimately failed 11-21, but not before the top Republican on the panel, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, called out Democrats for their hypocrisy. Democrats in 2016 staged a “sit-in” on the House floor, refusing to let the GOP majority conduct legislative business, in part because Republicans would not pass "No-Fly, No-Buy" legislation, which would prevent people on the federal no-fly list from purchasing guns. “It’s amazing to me,” Collins said. “We had a large blow-up on the floor of this House just a couple years ago about the 'No Fly, No Buy' list, which was shown to have issues, but at that point, nobody from the other side brought this is as a concern, and now we are bringing it as a concern,” Collins said. “If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again." “Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.” This was (still is) the epitome of the Dem party and their resolve to find reasonable solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Take em away from idiots until they can prove they are not. Err on the safe side always. Every day you make me laugh. Every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 18, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, Zambroski said: Every day you make me laugh. Every day! He’s a Bat shit crazy old fart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, Skidooski said: He’s a Bat shit crazy old fart He should consider politics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Mainecat said: Take em away from idiots until they can prove they are not. Err on the safe side always. A moron like you should have been given a jar of marbles instead of access to the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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