Im4snow Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: No....what I'm saying is that the costs of everything from homes and cars to food and clothes is the same or cheaper now than 50 years ago. Yet we arent able to live the same lifestyle we did back then on a single income because wages have stagnated and manufacturing jobs have vanished I think it's a function of our trade deficit. It's NET US WEALTH leaving the country. Been doing it for 30ish years to the tune of 3-5% of GDP. Those a big numbers, reducing our national wealth, and it trickles down to many kitchen tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, f7ben said: No....what I'm saying is that the costs of everything from homes and cars to food and clothes is the same or cheaper now than 50 years ago. Yet we arent able to live the same lifestyle we did back then on a single income because wages have stagnated and manufacturing jobs have vanished What king of moron thinks they can live on a single income leave it to Beaver? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, f7ben said: You're a fucking moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Im4snow said: I think it's a function of our trade deficit. It's NET US WEALTH leaving the country. Been doing it for 30ish years to the tune of 3-5% of GDP. Those a big numbers, reducing our national wealth, and it trickles down to many kitchen tables. Trade deficit huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: What king of moron thinks they can live on a single income leave it to Beaver? Everyone 50 years ago you braindead fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Im4snow said: I think it's a function of our trade deficit. It's NET US WEALTH leaving the country. Been doing it for 30ish years to the tune of 3-5% of GDP. Those a big numbers, reducing our national wealth, and it trickles down to many kitchen tables. Partly for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Everyone 50 years ago you braindead fuck I don't think so Ward Cleaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: I don't think so Ward Cleaver. Less than 25% of households had two fulltime workers in 1960. Today it's over 65% Kill yourself Edited July 30, 2019 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Less than 25% of households had two fulltime workers in 1960. Today it's over 65% Kill yourself So you are good to stay home and do housework? Wife could, no financial issues as she makes well over 6 figures. She doesn't work cause she needs to either. Now kill yourself. My mom worked and basically carried the household. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im4snow Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Trade deficit huh. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: So you are good to stay home and do housework? Wife could, no financial issues as she makes well over 6 figures. She doesn't work cause she needs to either. Now kill yourself. My mom worked and basically carried the household. God damn you're a dumbass motherfucker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Im4snow said: Yes No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: God damn you're a dumbass motherfucker You really think the lifestyle of the 50's is even remotely like the one we have today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: You really think the lifestyle of the 50's is even remotely like the one we have today? No....I think a single earner family of 7 had it easier back then and i laid out exactly why. Now kill yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: No....I think a single earner family of 7 had it easier back then and i laid out exactly why. Now kill yourself That single earner couldn't support our modern day lifestyle though. They just lived more within their means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: That single earner couldn't support our modern day lifestyle though. They just lived more within their means. Did you not read any of the thread? My grandpa had a home , new vehicle , 7 kids , stay at home wife.....bought a lake lot and built a nice cabin. Took vacations every year. Kids all had dirt bikes and on and on and on. He was an uneducated draftsman and worked a bartending gig a couple nights a week. If I had 7 fucking kids and my wife didnt work I'd be poor and have nothing and I'm at the top of trades wage earners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 https://prospect.org/article/skills-and-wage-collapse Wage collapse.....read it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 The collapse in earnings is not mainly a skills problem caused by the demands of a new computerized economy. After all, there has been no wage collapse for the least skilled in other developed countries. Rather, the problem is declining worker bargaining power in increasingly global and deregulated labor markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: Did you not read any of the thread? My grandpa had a home , new vehicle , 7 kids , stay at home wife.....bought a lake lot and built a nice cabin. Took vacations every year. Kids all had dirt bikes and on and on and on. He was an uneducated draftsman and worked a bartending gig a couple nights a week. If I had 7 fucking kids and my wife didnt work I'd be poor and have nothing and I'm at the top of trades wage earners. Yah, but even that from your grandpa doesn't sound like the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Yah, but even that from your grandpa doesn't sound like the norm. My grandpa was savvy and a hard worker but not completely the exception. I'm not saying they lived high on the hog but they had a good life and raised a huge family on one income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/27/2019 at 7:49 PM, f7ben said: It certainly has become skewed. You used to be able to afford a home , a new car and vacations and large families on a single income. You used to get the job that allowed for that right out of highschool. You used to be able to let your wife stay home and raise the kids Almost none of those things are common now. But but but everyone has iPhones and McDonalds cheeseburgers Come one guys.....use your brains Sorry but that simply wasn't case for the vast, vast percentage of America. Not sure where you got that unicorn fantasy-land bullshit but its simply not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Sorry but that simply wasn't case for the vast, vast percentage of America. Not sure where you got that unicorn fantasy-land bullshit but its simply not true. In 1960 you got hired here in the mine at 18 and the mining companies had apprenticeships. Most production and manufacturing were the same. Trades , unions ....the big 3 etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: In 1960 you got hired here in the mine at 18 and the mining companies had apprenticeships. Most production and manufacturing were the same. Trades , unions ....the big 3 etc etc. Well if it happened here at the mine it happened every single place in 'Merica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well if it happened here at the mine it happened every single place in 'Merica. Just an anecdotal example Steel mills were the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 My dad quit school in the 7th. grade and started to work, he never made more than 50 cents above minimum wage his whole life and he worked till he got injured at work when he was 74..you may not believe this but I started to work at age 9 in 1956, every day in the Summer and after school every day.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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