f7ben Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, frenchy said: I'm not wading in to the wage increase debate as I don't know enough about it. That said the hackery here is like the old FS on steriods. I can only assume someone left the gate open and a throng of HCS goons snuck in. Aside from the left wing partisan fuck heads here I have been the most vocal Trump critic. I despise the orange retard. He is 100% in the right on his trade stance though and his economy is 1000x better than anything Obama saw in his wildest dreams. Those are facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, frenchy said: I'm not wading in to the wage increase debate as I don't know enough about it. That said the hackery here is like the old FS on steriods. I can only assume someone left the gate open and a throng of HCS goons snuck in. Ben linked an AP article tecently that stated average wages in the US increased 2.8%, and thanked trump for it. It was like .1% better than previous years so ben blew a load. Whoever didn’t get at least a 2.8% wage increase each year over the last several decades is likely dumb or lazy. The hackery in here is off the charts compared to anything I’ve seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Aside from the left wing partisan fuck heads here I have been the most vocal Trump critic. I despise the orange retard. He is 100% in the right on his trade stance though and his economy is 1000x better than anything Obama saw in his wildest dreams. Those are facts his fixation on the trade deficit number shows his lack of understanding of international trade in general. That is the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 not to mention the fact he manufactures his cheesy clothing line in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: Aside from the left wing partisan fuck heads here I have been the most vocal Trump critic. I despise the orange retard. He is 100% in the right on his trade stance though and his economy is 1000x better than anything Obama saw in his wildest dreams. Those are facts Ignores all historical graphs showing trends, thanks trump for turning things around Jan 22 2017. Ben also has a touch of wolfie in him, maybe break bread together soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, frenchy said: his fixation on the trade deficit number shows his lack of understanding of international trade in general. That is the fact. As do all trumpsters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted August 9, 2018 USA Contributing Member Share Posted August 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: Hey Frenchy, could you imagine if I had touted a 2.8% wage increase, and thanked obama for it, back in 2015? this is a good example of the stupidity and hackery in this place over the last 1.5 years @frenchy What kind of wage increases have you seen in the past 8 years? What industry? Where I am the typical increase has been 2-3%. No bonus, 401K replaced the pension, high deductible healthcare plan. Friends at similar businesses are seeing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Sal Rosenberg said: Trump meets Momo.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) I posed this scenario to the resident trumpsters and crickets..... 2017 US trade deficit - $570B 2009 US trade deficit - $383B using Trumpian logic 2009 economy was a better economy, correct? Edited August 9, 2018 by frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, frenchy said: not to mention the fact he manufactures his cheesy clothing line in China. If those maga hats were metal Hessian helmets, behn would be seizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, $poorsledder$ said: What kind of wage increases have you seen in the past 8 years? What industry? Where I am the typical increase has been 2-3%. No bonus, 401K replaced the pension, high deductible healthcare plan. Friends at similar businesses are seeing the same. Ummmm, thanks for making my point. The average now is about the same as it always has been. I see on average, about 4% wage growth each year. Shitty imo, but I love what I do and it’s conveniently close. I could move to make more, same as it has always been, but I choose not to. I work in electronics manufacturing, always have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, frenchy said: I posed this scenario to the resident trumpsters and crickets..... 2017 US trade deficit - $570B 2009 US trade deficit - $383B using Trumpian logic 2009 economy was a better economy, correct? They think the corporations are missing out on that money, and that is hurting their wages. Edited August 9, 2018 by Snoslinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Snoslinger said: It’s almost like trump is purposely trying to fuck up our economy long term, pissboff our allies, etc Wonder why he’d be doing that? Our economy is pretty strong right now. Lets see where we are at in 2020 and then call it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted August 9, 2018 USA Contributing Member Share Posted August 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: Ummmm, thanks for making my point. The average now is about the same as it always has been. I see on average, about 4% wage growth each year. Shitty imo, but I love what I do and it’s conveniently close. I could move to make more, same as it has always been, but I choose not to. I work in electronics manufacturing, always have So your in the same industry I was in. Company was Hamilton Standard (now UTC Aerospace), built flight control boxes for commercial and military aircraft. The point is that wages are not going to go up after a year and a half, Trump has no say in that. What he can do is go after the trade deficit and help keep manufacturing (especially electronics) from leaving. Another company I worked for closed due to electronic manufacturing moving to China. Small company, pay was low and still couldn't compete. I would like to think if all things were fair in the world they would have stayed open and wages and would have been better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Snoslinger said: They think the corporations are missing out on that money, and that is hurting their wages. lol over 60% of trump's proposed China tariffs will hit foreign owned companies operating in China. who is gonna pay for those tariffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, frenchy said: lol over 60% of trump's proposed China tariffs will hit foreign owned companies operating in China. who is gonna pay for those tariffs? China will bend or they will break....the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: China will bend or they will break....the end that's some deep insight. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 9, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 hours ago, frenchy said: not to mention the fact he manufactures his cheesy clothing line in China. Getting more trade balance and a better deal doesn't mean everything needs to be made here. It means some places need to make it easier for our products to be sold there without higher tariffs than we apply. Its absurd that another country be allowed to have higher tariffs on our goods than we put on theirs. If on a more equal playing field then it stands to reason we would produce more but people need to get away from the narrative that its all about everything being produced here. We can't produce all we consume in many markets much less for the world. Fair trade doesn't mean isolationism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 rww logic... company ABC in shithole country XYZ makes widgets, costing 1$ apiece to make. workers at ABC make $2 a day, barely enough to eat. widgets are shipped to US, where ALOT of people (because we are a huge country) buy them at $100 apiece. the workers and other citizens of country XYZ have low buying power, because of low wages and poverty. they cant afford to buy much, so less imports come in.this creates a trade imbalance, and the trumpsters, sitting in their nice homes, driving nice cars, eating good food, thinks country xyz and their workers is fucking them over. then to top it off, they think that knocking $100 of a US good, via tariff relief, is going to cause the workers in country XYZ to suddenly demand more US goods, thereby putting more money in their pockets. fucking unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 9, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, frenchy said: lol over 60% of trump's proposed China tariffs will hit foreign owned companies operating in China. who is gonna pay for those tariffs? Foreign owned? Only way to be there is for them to own 51% minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: Getting more trade balance and a better deal doesn't mean everything needs to be made here. It means some places need to make it easier for our products to be sold there without higher tariffs than we apply. Its absurd that another country be allowed to have higher tariffs on our goods than we put on theirs. If on a more equal playing field then it stands to reason we would produce more but people need to get away from the narrative that its all about everything being produced here. We can't produce all we consume in many markets much less for the world. Fair trade doesn't mean isolationism. Bingo, which makes trump's fixation on the trade deficit asinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: Getting more trade balance and a better deal doesn't mean everything needs to be made here. It means some places need to make it easier for our products to be sold there without higher tariffs than we apply. Its absurd that another country be allowed to have higher tariffs on our goods than we put on theirs. If on a more equal playing field then it stands to reason we would produce more but people need to get away from the narrative that its all about everything being produced here. We can't produce all we consume in many markets much less for the world. Fair trade doesn't mean isolationism. exhibit A jesus, the anger towards us alone are going to damage those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Foreign owned? Only way to be there is for them to own 51% minimum. now you're playing semantics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 9, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, frenchy said: Bingo, which makes trump's fixation on the trade deficit asinine. I'll admit he is wording it to get the most impact with voters but he often does recite its about fairness and countries buying more of our products with equal tariffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 9, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 9, 2018 Just now, frenchy said: now you're playing semantics. I'm playing semantics that China requires their govt to own 51% or more of anything done there? I'd hardly call that semantics. I call that the truth and furthers the big picture. Do we require that of them here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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