jammin Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: The AR got 17 in Florida, proves what is more lethal. Thank you for pointing the weapon used in Texas. Nope- proves an attack plan. Student kills 10 at Texas school, says he targeted kids he didn't like- After being read his rights, he admitted to the shootings and told officers he targeted students he didn't like, according to a court filing. "He did not shoot students he did like so he could have his story told," an officer wrote in a probable cause affidavit filed in Galveston County court. He made his first appearance in court Friday evening, hanging his head and looking down as a judge asked him routine questions, such as whether he wanted a court-appointed attorney. "Yes, sir," he mumbled as he fiddled with his hands. Pagourtzis kept a journal on his computer and a cell phone that detailed the plans for his attack, Abbott said, adding Pagourtzis also hoped to take his own life after the shooting but instead gave himself up to law enforcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Snake said: In the Coast Guard may be. Availability of targets. Performance of the weapon. Familiarity of the weapon. Just 3 for ya Vin. Certainly the AR has the greater rate of fire, but you are making a huge supposition without facts. I won't call you stupid, just suffice to say.... 3 minutes ago, jammin said: Nope- proves an attack plan. Student kills 10 at Texas school, says he targeted kids he didn't like- After being read his rights, he admitted to the shootings and told officers he targeted students he didn't like, according to a court filing. "He did not shoot students he did like so he could have his story told," an officer wrote in a probable cause affidavit filed in Galveston County court. He made his first appearance in court Friday evening, hanging his head and looking down as a judge asked him routine questions, such as whether he wanted a court-appointed attorney. "Yes, sir," he mumbled as he fiddled with his hands. Pagourtzis kept a journal on his computer and a cell phone that detailed the plans for his attack, Abbott said, adding Pagourtzis also hoped to take his own life after the shooting but instead gave himself up to law enforcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Snake said: In the Coast Guard may be. Availability of targets. Performance of the weapon. Familiarity of the weapon. Just 3 for ya Vin. Certainly the AR has the greater rate of fire, but you are making a huge supposition without facts. I won't call you stupid, just suffice to say.... There is reason the Army used taxpayer dollars to supply you with an automatic weapon vs say an M1. Just think about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted May 19, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 19, 2018 Yes , great for cover fire. Look up the kill ration vs shots fired in Vietnam. You will be amazed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, jammin said: Nope- proves an attack plan. Student kills 10 at Texas school, says he targeted kids he didn't like- After being read his rights, he admitted to the shootings and told officers he targeted students he didn't like, according to a court filing. "He did not shoot students he did like so he could have his story told," an officer wrote in a probable cause affidavit filed in Galveston County court. He made his first appearance in court Friday evening, hanging his head and looking down as a judge asked him routine questions, such as whether he wanted a court-appointed attorney. "Yes, sir," he mumbled as he fiddled with his hands. Pagourtzis kept a journal on his computer and a cell phone that detailed the plans for his attack, Abbott said, adding Pagourtzis also hoped to take his own life after the shooting but instead gave himself up to law enforcement. Proves what? You know virtually nothing about guns, targeting using a revolver vs an AR is the same, the amount of rounds and the efficiency of the reload is the difference. The shooter took what guns Daddy had available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: There is reason the Army used taxpayer dollars to supply you with an automatic weapon vs say an M1. Just think about it Sigh...... The M16A2 fires the improved 5.56×45mm NATO (M855/SS109) cartridge and has a new adjustable rear sight, case deflector, heavy barrel, improved handguard, pistol grip and buttstock, as well as a semi-auto and three-round burst only fire selector. Adopted in 1998, the M16A4 is the fourth generation of the M16 series. Edited May 19, 2018 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Yes , great for cover fire. Look up the kill ration vs shots fired in Vietnam. You will be amazed Tens of thousands per kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: Yes , great for cover fire. Look up the kill ration vs shots fired in Vietnam. You will be amazed Putting a weapon on "full auto" is a great way to lay cover fire and make a lot of noise.....that's about it. Otherwise, it's good for running out of ammo and ending up dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Anyone who went through a real boot camp... not a summer class with the Naval Reserve, knows the mantra was "one shot, one kill." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Putting a weapon on "full auto" is a great way to lay cover fire and make a lot of noise.....that's about it. Otherwise, it's good for running out of ammo and ending up dead. Hence why the M60 is full auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Proves what? You know virtually nothing about guns, targeting using a revolver vs an AR is the same, the amount of rounds and the efficiency of the reload is the difference. The shooter took what guns Daddy had available. Yes I know.... He had an attack plan is what it proves not the gun used. Kids / an aid he didnt like was his mission... he could have killed more people if he wanted with what he had. Edited May 19, 2018 by jammin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Snake said: Hence why the M60 is full auto. Yep. Picture kinda says it all....to those that know anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Yep. Picture kinda says it all....to those that know anything. Should we introduce Vinnie to the M249? Should we discuss how a squad is equipped to fight? Manufacturer: FN Herstel Services: USN, US Army, USMC, USAF Weight: 18 lbs Length: 40.74 in Barrel length: 18 in Caliber: 5.56x45 mm Action: gas-operated, open bolt Max Rate of Fire: 800 rpm Muzzle velocity: 3,000 ft/s Max Range: 3,600 m The M249 Squad Automatic Weapon, or SAW, is an individually portable, gas operated, magazine or disintegrating metallic link-belt fed, light machine gun with fixed headspace and quick change barrel feature. The M249 engages point targets out to 800 meters, firing the improved NATO standard 5.56mm cartridge. The SAW forms the basis of firepower for the fire team. The gunner has the option of using 30-round M16 magazines or linked ammunition from pre-loaded 200-round plastic magazines. The gunner's basic load is 600 rounds of linked ammunition. The SAW was developed through an initially Army-led research and development effort and eventually a Joint NDO program in the late 1970s/early 1980s to restore sustained and accurate automatic weapons fire to the fire team and squad. When actually fielded in the mid-1980s, the SAW was issued as a one-for-one replacement for the designated "automatic rifle" (M16A1) in the Fire Team. In this regard, the SAW filled the void created by the retirement of the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) during the 1950s because interim automatic weapons (e.g. M-14E2/M16A1) had failed as viable "base of fire" weapons. Early in the SAW's fielding, the Army identified the need for a Product Improvement Program (PIP) to enhance the weapon. This effort resulted in a "PIP kit" which modifies the barrel, handguard, stock, pistol grip, buffer, and sights. Edited May 19, 2018 by Snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Snake said: Should we introduce Vinnie to the M249? Should we discuss how a squad is equipped to fight? No. He's concentrating on his MSM's trying to come up with a planned narrative message on gun legislation since this idiot didn't use an AR. Let's let him focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, jammin said: Yes I know.... He had an attack plan is what it proves not the gun used. Kids / an aid he didnt like was his mission... he could have killed more people if he wanted with what he had. Please explain the explosive devices found at the school, because we all know how discreet explosive devices are in choosing victims https://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/video/17564234/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Please explain the explosive devices found at the school, because we all know how discreet explosive devices are in choosing victims https://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/video/17564234/ Did they go off and kill others? Did he plant them? He had a plan and thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, Snake said: Should we introduce Vinnie to the M249? Should we discuss how a squad is equipped to fight? Manufacturer: FN Herstel Services: USN, US Army, USMC, USAF Weight: 18 lbs Length: 40.74 in Barrel length: 18 in Caliber: 5.56x45 mm Action: gas-operated, open bolt Max Rate of Fire: 800 rpm Muzzle velocity: 3,000 ft/s Max Range: 3,600 m The M249 Squad Automatic Weapon, or SAW, is an individually portable, gas operated, magazine or disintegrating metallic link-belt fed, light machine gun with fixed headspace and quick change barrel feature. The M249 engages point targets out to 800 meters, firing the improved NATO standard 5.56mm cartridge. The SAW forms the basis of firepower for the fire team. The gunner has the option of using 30-round M16 magazines or linked ammunition from pre-loaded 200-round plastic magazines. The gunner's basic load is 600 rounds of linked ammunition. The SAW was developed through an initially Army-led research and development effort and eventually a Joint NDO program in the late 1970s/early 1980s to restore sustained and accurate automatic weapons fire to the fire team and squad. When actually fielded in the mid-1980s, the SAW was issued as a one-for-one replacement for the designated "automatic rifle" (M16A1) in the Fire Team. In this regard, the SAW filled the void created by the retirement of the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) during the 1950s because interim automatic weapons (e.g. M-14E2/M16A1) had failed as viable "base of fire" weapons. Early in the SAW's fielding, the Army identified the need for a Product Improvement Program (PIP) to enhance the weapon. This effort resulted in a "PIP kit" which modifies the barrel, handguard, stock, pistol grip, buffer, and sights. Peacetime hero speaks. Everyone listens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Putting a weapon on "full auto" is a great way to lay cover fire and make a lot of noise.....that's about it. Otherwise, it's good for running out of ammo and ending up dead. Since when is an AR a full auto weapon? Didn't your weapons have selectors switches single, 3 round burst, full auto? 24 minutes ago, Snake said: Anyone who went through a real boot camp... not a summer class with the Naval Reserve, knows the mantra was "one shot, one kill." Just like when I hunt, I have had few one shot, two kills in my life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, jammin said: Did they go off and kill others? Did he plant them? He had a plan and thats it. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Snake said: Yep. He should have dropped everything, and gone there to personally hold hands with every parent. Trump is an ANIMAL. Nah, nobody wants him there He should have tweeted his concern, which he did, and then put the phone down and lay off twitter for the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Peacetime hero speaks. Everyone listens. Expert on US Weapons speaks. After you teach something for 10 years, you kind of know what you are talking about. You? You can stick to Tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Since when is an AR a full auto weapon? Didn't your weapons have selectors switches single, 3 round burst, full auto? It can be made to be FA. No. Safe, Semi, Full. 3 round burst was a useless option for POGs to try and keep them from running out of ammo and ending up dead. Didn't work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Nah, nobody wants him there He should have tweeted his concern, which he did, and then put the phone down and lay off twitter for the day. That's what Trudeau might do. We have a President here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Snake said: That's what Trudeau might do. We have a President here. You’ve got a retard with itchy Twitter fingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: What do you think? Great question we dont have an answer 2 (or at least I havent heard him admit he planted them). We do know they didnt go off tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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