jammin Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Air Force One is primed to receive an upgrade that will include new refrigerators expected to cost American taxpayers nearly $24 million. The US Air Force awarded Boeing a $23.6 million contract in December to replace two of the five “cold chiller units” aboard the aircraft used by President Donald Trump. “The current rear lower lobe cold chiller units being replaced are the original commercial equipment delivered with the aircraft in 1990. The units were based on the technology at the time and designed for short-term food storage,” Air Force spokesperson Ann Stefanek told CNN. “Although serviced on a regular basis, reliability has decreased with failures increasing, especially in hot/humid environments. The units are unable to effectively support mission requirements for food storage,” she said. Defense One highlighted the cost of the chillers earlier this week. Due to the fact that Air Force One is a one-of-a-kind aircraft, many of its components require unique testing by the Federal Aviation Administration and the cost of the testing is included in the price of the component, in this case refrigerators. The $24 million contract will cover the costs of engineering support services for the new chillers — including prototype design, manufacturing and installation, according to the DOD contract. “The units and associated aircraft structural modifications are being specially designed to provide nearly 70 cubic feet of temperature-controlled (refrigeration/freezer) storage to support on-board personnel for an extended period of time, without having to restock while abroad,” Stefanek told CNN. “The engineering required to design, manufacture, conduct environmental testing and obtain Federal Aviation Administration certification are included in the cost,” she said. Former senior adviser to President Barack Obama Eric Schultz mocked the high price tag in a tweet on Friday, saying, “we would have been impeached.” The Boeing fridge contract isn’t the first time an administration has come under fire for the high cost of military aircraft upgrades — the Obama administration was pressured to scuttle plans to build a new fleet of presidential helicopters in 2009 after reports emerged that they cost at least $11 billion. When he was running for president, Trump boasted he would swap out Air Force One with his private jet and has been fiercely critical of the cost of the new Air Force One program in the past, stating “costs are out of control” and “cancel order!” in a December 2016 tweet. But since taking office, Trump — like his predecessors — has traveled aboard the Boeing-made VC-25 aircraft, the latest version of which entered service in 1990. The Air Force announced last year that it had finalized a deal to purchase two already-built aircraft from Boeing to serve as the next generation of Air Force One, flying future presidents around the world for decades to come. That contract is separate from the arrangement between Boeing and the Air Force for upkeep of the current Air Force One fleet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 10 million of that will be eaten up by the FAA so its really a misleading headline. Every single nut and bolt that goes into an aircraft has a massive amount of bureaucratic red tape attached to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted January 27, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted January 27, 2018 Gubmint cheese! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted January 27, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted January 27, 2018 Wonder if that refrigerator cost will go against Washington state on the chart of tax dollar received vs tax dollar collected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, f7ben said: 10 million of that will be eaten up by the FAA so its really a misleading headline. Every single nut and bolt that goes into an aircraft has a massive amount of bureaucratic red tape attached to it. You and I could retro-fit that fucker for 15 million...... They missed out on an opportunity to save a few bucks..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, jammin said: You and I could retro-fit that fucker for 15 million...... They missed out on an opportunity to save a few bucks..... I'd head down to lowes and buy a bunch of Whirlpool fridges and we could just hack them fuckers apart and put em in there. We'd have 20k into it and could charge them the bargain price of 10 million. 8 million for me cause I'm the brains and 1.98 million for you cause you're Ed Flanders nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: I'd head down to lowes and buy a bunch of Whirlpool fridges and we could just hack them fuckers apart and put em in there. We'd have 20k into it and could charge them the bargain price of 10 million. 8 million for me cause I'm the brains and 1.98 million for you cause you're Ed Flanders nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111 PM Trump and tell him you'll do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, f7ben said: I'd head down to lowes and buy a bunch of Whirlpool fridges and we could just hack them fuckers apart and put em in there. We'd have 20k into it and could charge them the bargain price of 10 million. 8 million for me cause I'm the brains and 1.98 million for you cause you're Ed Flanders nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111 80 / 20 sounds like a reasonable split. I'll bring the beer's to the shop as well. 5 minutes ago, Momorider said: PM Trump and tell him you'll do it Just zip it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I thought a new AF1 was due soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 fucking Jammings......you rip him off on millions of dollars and he's just like "Okely Dokely , sounds great neighbor...mighty fine day we're a havin" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Wtf... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, f7ben said: fucking Jammings......you rip him off on millions of dollars and he's just like "Okely Dokely , sounds great neighbor...mighty fine day we're a havin" I'm not greedy- I'd be just fine with 1.98M$ and you buying me a 500K$ home, a SUV, a Pick-um-up-truck, 2 boat lifts and helping me replace the ceiling in the cabin bathroom. I got the beers for that project as well 1 hour ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Wtf... What a deal, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 27, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: I thought a new AF1 was due soon? Trump Cancelled it. Not needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 27, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 27, 2018 So if new ones are 23 mil We can probab;ly assume the originals were at least 8 million. Ya cant even get 25 yrs out of an 8 mill fridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, jammin said: I'm not greedy- I'd be just fine with 1.98M$ and you buying me a 500K$ home, a SUV, a Pick-um-up-truck, 2 boat lifts and helping me replace the ceiling in the cabin bathroom. I got the beers for that project as well What a deal, eh? We'll do that bathroom after I move back to MN ......not too much longer ole buddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 How much is profit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, spin_dry said: How much is profit? I'm going to guess 20M+$ for Boeing and 9M-$ if Ben and I do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, jammin said: I'm going to guess 20M+$ for Boeing and 9M-$ if Ben and I do it. When a business like Boeing begins to describe and justify the outrageous cost of an item, it’s as though they want sympathy. Peas and ramen noodles for dinner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, spin_dry said: When a business like Boeing begins to describe and justify the outrageous cost of an item, it’s as though they want sympathy. Peas and ramen noodles for dinner. Like I said.....the FAA will get 40% of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, spin_dry said: When a business like Boeing begins to describe and justify the outrageous cost of an item, it’s as though they want sympathy. Peas and ramen noodles for dinner. Yep. Fucking crazy numbers. Just SMH and not a fawk we can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Like I said.....the FAA will get 40% of that. For "just cuz" - awesome. Be willing to bet it was a non bid as well..... RETRACT- i'm 100% sure it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, f7ben said: Like I said.....the FAA will get 40% of that. I don’t believe that. A statement such as that needs to be proven. IMO it’s Boeing milking the system. The original units were commercial items. They’ve lasted 27 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: I don’t believe that. A statement such as that needs to be proven. IMO it’s Boeing milking the system. The original units were commercial items. They’ve lasted 27 years. Are you fucking retarded? It costs $35,000 to rebuild an airplane motor that would cost $1500 to rebuild if it was going into a car. The FAA drives the cost of anything to do with an aircraft up by many multiples. The commonly accepted figure is 40% for anything right off the bat.....it could be more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: Are you fucking retarded? It costs $35,000 to rebuild an airplane motor that would cost $1500 to rebuild if it was going into a car. The FAA drives the cost of anything to do with an aircraft up by many multiples. The commonly accepted figure is 40% for anything right off the bat.....it could be more I’m going to believe that because you say so? Lol. Not for a fridge. I’d need to see hard data. And even if it is true, which I doubt, that still leaves the outrageous amount amount of money left on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: I’m going to believe that because you say so? Lol. Not for a fridge. I’d need to see hard data. And even if it is true, which I doubt, that still leaves the outrageous amount amount of money left on the table. How would you even bid that job? The regulatory aspects of working on fucking AFO could be a total nightmare. You could have the job complete and they may not like the teflon tape you used on all the fittings and you'd be tearing the whole shit out. Its insane the amount of regs to do with aircraft and I dont have an issue with it because you cant afford a mistake in the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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