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On 4/17/2022 at 9:06 AM, Bontz said:

I never really gave a review on my 650 XCR this season, mostly because I felt like others had summed it up pretty well and I ultimately agreed with what they reported.  Between @A05GSHO and @Ziemann - I'd pretty much give a "+1" from me.  That said, I'll throw a few things out here that I found with mine ... other than the obvious, which was I WAITED on it too damn long!! 

I wasn't sure what to expect with the 650, but I figured with the amount of trail riding (primarily northwoods trail riding) we do, it would be more than adequate.  And that assumption was 100% correct - it's fantastic in the trails/woods.  The engine has enough snort to keep a guy honest, but is a bit more "controllable" when pushing it hard through the tight & twisty stuff.  From that aspect, the 650 is fantastic.  On the straights, it will surprise people as it will hit the century mark in perfect conditions, and a solid mid 90's in most other typical conditions.  In other words, it's not a slouch .... but anyone thinking they're going to line up against 800-850 class sleds and win?  Sorry

It wasn't until my last trip of the season that I started to realize that I miss the grunt of the 840/850.  A riding buddy of mine was on his Riot, and was leading us for the day & we had a stretch of ditch riding where there were several field approaches and driveways which were perfect for catching a bit of air.  It's not that the 650 is incapable of hitting those approaches to catch air, it's just a much less exciting feel to it.  Watching my buddy hit them, I was initially grinning as I got to each "opportunity" .. but was ultimately left with the feeling of, "Well that was a bit lackluster."  I guess, after 20 years of being on 800's ... going back to 130'ish horsepower is fine for a lot of my riding, but where it lacks also affects the FUN FACTOR (I had to use that phrase just to piss off a few people )

The other thing with the 650 that I was kind of interested in was the fuel economy - just to see if it was legit.  Maybe if I was a smaller, 175 pound type of guy, the MPG's would be better .. but I wasn't overly impressed.  I expected to see ho-hum mileage on the days we ran mostly lakes and keeping a brisker pace going, but when we mostly rode trails and stayed away from long stretches of 70+ mph I was thinking I'd still see significantly better fuel consumption than my buddy on his Riot.  That wasn't the case.  I beat him by a gallon a few times, but other than that we were pretty close at fill ups.

Overall, the 650 really is a nice engine package and for some people it's going to be more than enough.  It will impress the 800 and 850 crowd if they swap sleds with a 650 owner, but it still isn't an 800 or 850.  For me, I miss my 840/850 too much and will be going back to one for 2023.  So if anyone is looking for a lightly used 650 XCR, I'll be selling mine when my '23 comes in!

How much faster was the 650 against the riot in top speed? Did it ever foul any plugs? Do i need to get the tall windshield or is the mid warm enough? Was the seat hard, Med, or soft?Did you run regular or premium fuel? Do i need to run extreme oil and how much is a gallon?

19 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

before goober starts up with his comments... 600 class trail sleds spec'd at minimum pricing.

 

2023 SP 650 137 E/S $12,999 (Std Gauge)

2023 Renegade 600 X 137 E/S $13,149 (Std Gauge)

2023 MXZ 600 Blizzard 129 E/S $13,249 (Std Gauge)

2023 MXZ 600 X-RS 129 E/S $14,249 (Std Gauge & Shocks)

2023 XC 650 129 M/S $13,799 or E/S $14,288 (Std Gauge)

2023 Renegade 600 XRS Comp. Pkg 137 M/S $14,299 (Std Gauge)

2023 ZR 6000 137 E/S QS3 $14,399

2023 XC 650 137 M/S $14,199 or E/S $14,688 (Std Gauge)

2023 Renegade 600 Enduro 137 E/S $14,799 (Std Gauge)

2023 XCR 650 128 M/S $14,799 or E/S $15,288 (Std Gauge)

2023 ZR 6000 RXC 129 M/S $15,199 or E/S $15,499

2023 XCR 650 136 M/S $15,199 or E/S $15,688 (Std Gauge)

2023 VR1 650 129 M/S $15,299 or E/S $15,788 (7S)

2023 VR1 650 137 M/S $15,699 or E/S $16,188 (7S)

 

fwiw, you can add quickly to the price with BRP & Polaris when you start picking out certain colors, tracks, gauges and options.  Cat otoh gives you no options, take it or leave it.

2023 pricing from Ken's sports... since Cat hasn't updated their website. 
https://kenssports.com/Showroom/Model-Results/Arctic-Cat/Snowmobiles/Trail/2023?ModuleGuid=806e161c-abbb-427c-9676-5a13f0f1f541

granted Snowmaggedon pricing was very good but there's no way on earth the cost to manufacture these has gone up nearly $2-3K worth the retail value in three years... not a chance.   

 

Now ad 3000 to these prices plus destination fee plus pdi  and welcome to Canada!!!!! A good dealer will throw in a tube of grease so it doesn't hurt so bad when you bend over.

1 hour ago, Ziemann said:

It's right around the corner. That time in LATE APRIL that everyone looks forward to! Your opportunity to order a "new" Cat! (maybe- maybe? that you might get next year).

 

# 1 in sales!!!

1 hour ago, krom said:

had 2 customers of ours who got sick of waiting for something new, order a 650.  One was around $17k, it fouled 11 sets of plugs, and left him stranded with a coolant leak.

The other popped an engine under 200 miles into the year.

Phuck, guess i better cancel my order then!!!!

37 minutes ago, Bontz said:

Tired of all the bullshit in the CE forum with the same crap regurgitated over and over - so just gonna throw this out there.

@mnstang - It's been way too long since we've had the chance to butt heads so I'm just gonna say .... screw you, Cat sucks!! 

@krom - keep up the good fight with the Rammer and putting him in his place 

@Crnr2Crnr - be extra attentive driving on the road, now that it's UTV season again.  I don't wanna see any Tahoe vehicles tailgating me when I'm up north the next several months!

@Zambroski - I know you're still lurking out there, Scooter.  GFY 

@fortune46x - F7!!!

 

There, I feel better now .. I covered the majority of Team Green (sorry to those of you I omitted)

How about giving us a full review of your 650 so that i know if i should buy one or not.

Was at my dealer on march 19 and he had just printed a copy of 2023 msrp prices. I asked if there would be snowmegedon prices on april 19th and he said yes to wait till then. Not sure how other dealers are giving prices.

7 hours ago, Ziemann said:

Calling Jimbo Ramstad: From what I can tell, Cat still doesn't have a specific date on their web site regarding their '23 release and the start of their snow check period. It is April 1st. Shouldn't you be doing SOMETHING official. 

Again- Yamaha at least seemed to be taking it seriously. They did a proper release, and did a great job of putting lipstick on a pig.....

You will be able to trade your 650 on an "all new graphics" cat on april 19th.

I don't think they sold many in canada, with our shitty dollar they are way to expensive for what they are.

3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

FINALLY 2022 ZR 6000 LTD 137 green !! Will this be my last ProCross ????? | Hardcore Sledder

What does it say when @taperk600 is done with this chassis?

Says he's buying the new 2024 chassis!!!! With so little miles on his 800 might as well wait till 2024 release anyway. Or try a polaris till the new chassis comes out.

Should of given it to the blast 2 up, far more technology in that sled!!!!!

Where's " The all new never before seen snowmobile" Jrod said they were supposed to release in the yahaha teaser vedeo?

The colors and graphics are fantastic but...........

34 minutes ago, krom said:

 

EPS and ATAC are standard on the Tcat for 23, the Riot 9000 gets EPS standard, with a choice of ATAC or QS3 shocks

Did they change anything on the ZR trail sleds?

2 minutes ago, Ziemann said:

 

I think it looks 10 times better then the gray shit they had the last two years.

19 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Good looking track for this weekend.  Will be there tomorrow night throwing peanuts over the fence in the direction of tech inspection. 

If you see a cat engineer there ask him if anything new for 2024.

2 hours ago, krom said:

What am i looking at? All i see is a black square.

2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

what time do the photos and information get leaked today? 

Maybe Uncle Krom will have some for us!!!!!

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Man, those new Polaris chassis look smooth.  

Well they should, its basically a cat with new plastics!!!!!

2 hours ago, Not greg b said:

Dealer web meeting is Friday for the snowmobiles. Herd a rumor 2024s could be talked about 

So are they just skipping 23 and going straight to 24?

16 hours ago, Ziemann said:

New for 2023! The new backrest for the Cat ProClimb chassis!

That would make a nice treadmill!!!!

15 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said:

How's your 50 year old president working out?

Terrible, he's an asshole!!!!!!

On 2/28/2022 at 7:59 PM, teamgreen02 said:

No offence but why do you mericans always elect someone that is 100 years old as president?

Jesus would never lie. Doo sucks huge ass!!!!!!

 

 

I've heard that one too.  Along with the reason behind it

And the reason being?

 

Current rumor on Facebook... Yamaha and Cat are parting ways after 2023 

 

That's fantastic news!!!! So now yahaha can put their motor in a wheelbarrow and call it all new!!!!