1jkw Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: He would look bad because they do what they have been doing for yrs? Yes, because they may have been doing it for years, but not after face to face meetings with a US President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted May 24, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, 1jkw said: Yes, because they may have been doing it for years, but not after face to face meetings with a US President. That's because there wasn't any face to face before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: That's because there wasn't any face to face before. Exactly, because it only legitimized the NK regime. It also makes the great deal maker look not so great, and that would be the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I TOTALLY blame the AMERICAN BUSINESSMAN for this China bullshit. Their fukken greed and need for money created a distorted economy by outsourcing. It was not the desire for low prices, it was the PROFIT LINE of the cunt American businessmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said: I TOTALLY blame the AMERICAN BUSINESSMAN for this China bullshit. Their fukken greed and need for money created a distorted economy by outsourcing. It was not the desire for low prices, it was the PROFIT LINE of the cunt American businessmen. I blame the stupid American voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Anler said: I blame the stupid American voters. NO. They had nothing to do with this. It was the BUSINESSMEN'S GREED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 9 hours ago, snoughnut said: That's not just a part of it, that is the main reason that companies do biz across borders and overseas....... cheap labor. the actual labor is a small part of the cost . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: the actual labor is a small part of the cost . It's huge when you go from dollars per hour to pennies Stop being stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said: NO. They had nothing to do with this. It was the BUSINESSMEN'S GREED. no it was the epa over regulation it was the insane workers comp costs it was the massive taxes and fees from city's it was the crazy money city's cha he biz for sewer and h20 over residential .the list is very long of people with there hand open for the small business owner . at a certain point you can't blame them for saying fuck this shit and becoming a drop ship vendor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: It's huge when you go from dollars per hour to pennies Stop being stupid you stop . again the labor is only a small part . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 When you can get labor for a 8 to 10 hour day cheaper then 1 hour labor here it is about the labor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: the actual labor is a small part of the cost . 19 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: you stop . again the labor is only a small part . You be wrong, cheap labor is the main reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Ez ryder said: you stop . again the labor is only a small part . Yeah, it is now. Because capitalists are keeping the difference for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Ez ryder said: no it was the epa over regulation it was the insane workers comp costs it was the massive taxes and fees from city's it was the crazy money city's cha he biz for sewer and h20 over residential .the list is very long of people with there hand open for the small business owner . at a certain point you can't blame them for saying fuck this shit and becoming a drop ship vendor And lazy entitled boomers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 hours ago, snoughnut said: You be wrong, cheap labor is the main reason. He's not totally wrong it's a combination of things. Cheap labor is big but no environmental compliance, no safety concerns for your employees, less taxes and fees., Etc... It all adds up. But ezderp and others like to bang on excessive epa regulation. Take a look at people in China walking down the sidewalk with masks on their faces because the air is poisonous. Our industry has poisoned almost every major body of water. Is that what we want? There's an ethical cost of doing business, if we impose it on ourselves we should expect the same from our trading partners. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 9 hours ago, Polaris 550 said: I TOTALLY blame the AMERICAN BUSINESSMAN for this China bullshit. Their fukken greed and need for money created a distorted economy by outsourcing. It was not the desire for low prices, it was the PROFIT LINE of the cunt American businessmen. 8 hours ago, Polaris 550 said: NO. They had nothing to do with this. It was the BUSINESSMEN'S GREED. What’s the world coming to??? I agree with you. Jack Welch should have been charged with treason. 8 hours ago, Ez ryder said: no it was the epa over regulation it was the insane workers comp costs it was the massive taxes and fees from city's it was the crazy money city's cha he biz for sewer and h20 over residential .the list is very long of people with there hand open for the small business owner . at a certain point you can't blame them for saying fuck this shit and becoming a drop ship vendor That could have easily been solved with environmental standards built into your import laws. Huge tariffs on stuff that is manufactured in jurisdictions with less environmental protections than the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Anler said: He's not totally wrong it's a combination of things. Cheap labor is big but no environmental compliance, no safety concerns for your employees, less taxes and fees., Etc... It all adds up. But ezderp and others like to bang on excessive epa regulation. Take a look at people in China walking down the sidewalk with masks on their faces because the air is poisonous. Our industry has poisoned almost every major body of water. Is that what we want? There's an ethical cost of doing business, if we impose it on ourselves we should expect the same from our trading partners. I never said it wasn't a combination of factors but cheap labor is the main reason. Why do you think illegal immigration blossomed here? Unscrupulous biz owners love their slaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, snoughnut said: I never said it wasn't a combination of factors but cheap labor is the main reason. Why do you think illegal immigration blossomed here? Unscrupulous biz owners love their slaves. Lax environmental standards are probably just as big as labor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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