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I agree. There is now a 600R and a 900 ACE in the shop, neither of my doing. Give me that 600R any day of the week! Which is fine as the wife prefers that 900 ACE. She damn well should since she bought both of them...

If you’re talking 4 strokes I find it the complete opposite, thunderwinder feels pretty comparable to any procross, the doo feels like it’s 2 stroke counterpart impregnated with quadruplets.

And the cats have eps.

It was a blizzard earlier today. I was gonna ride today but it is way too windy. Still snowing now. Got a couple inches of new snow out of this

The thing with the DB type stuff, and it is something I disagree with the ST guys on is those type of racers typically want all the benefits of some well run, well polished full benefit race series, but don't want to share in the cost of it. The crew and trailers and trucks, and all the markers and equipment don't come for free, or even all that cheap. Could Todd do better? Sure, everyone could. Brian could have done better, Pat could have done better, and so on down the line. The thing to remember is that crew is paid, at least Brian's was. Paid, lodged and fed. The trucks, trailers, sleds, etc. all have a cost. I'd bet they are there for 4 or 5 days including race days setting up, tearing down, etc. I know the USXC guys were. I don't want to shit on others ideas, but when you scratch down a bit, some of the stuff ideas fall a bit short. All I can say is go on the Facespace, here, or go to a race or two and ask questions. IMO, I think XC is far and away the most open and least click-y of snowmobile racing. The one lunger stuff is the same way. I know some racers who will tell you to go look at their sled and write down their clutching. At the end of the day, you still have to out-ride them. You show up, pay your entry fee and a barcode timing sticker if it is your first race and off you go. No ISR stuff, much more relaxed, I'm fairly certain event insurance only. I don't agree. I have to get a license for each sanction and class I race under. 4 sanctions, 2 classes in 3 of them for a total of 7 licenses. I'm technically supposed to have a set of contingency sponsor decals on each car, a decal displaying my weight and motor selection, shit on my driver's suit, stamped parts for specific sanctions, tires for classes and sanctions, different drivetrains for series, etc. My safety gear alone (helmet, firesuit, underwear, shoes, gloves, HANS, belts, seat, onboard fire suppression, etc.) costs more then most new snowmobiles do. You can certainly do it different then how I do and stick to 1 sanction and a few tracks, a used quality seat, suit, etc and do it for far cheaper, but you get the point. To get into racing COR, I think it is easier. You don't have to go hunt down or tape up a helmet to meet 75% orange, in reality your sled only needs a working tether, brakelight, and headlight, you can snag a $20 hunting vest from Wally and some duct tape numbers. Sure, you get to deal with the various fees and licenses and whatnot, but seriously, you can go run that Jag Z in the trail or classics class at Park Rapids in the woods and have a blast riding those trails as fast as you dare go. There used to be a guy who would show up to only PR with a Phazer, like 60 years old, and go rip the hell out of it. Only race he'd do every year.

I would disagree. You can race a dirt bike in ama district series every weekend in multiple disciplines with 2 annual memberships that run about 90$ total and race entries are typically about $40. Hell if you do national enduros you only need an AMA card which is 40ish a year plus the race entry fee. Car racing, easier. Mountain bike racing, easier. Even racing sleds at ERX is considerably easier. Usxc/cor has been the most difficult to get into for me. Maybe it's their way of keeping retards like me out or people that aren't all in, which I'm fine with.

Yup. I think sections of the Gaspe are good too.

They got a boat load up there still 50+ inches north of the river.

'feels' doesn't always apply to reality I guess... though if my memory is correct the ST guys were surprised the YC weighed in where it did

what are the associated fees and requirements to run for a day in that one-lunger series @racinfarmer ? COR events seem to have a few financial barriers for one timers, first timers and tightwads according to the pod. of course, insurance is a big part of that but this premium seems to go along with everything fun in today's litigious society.

The doo feels lighter to me in my limited time on both. That’s why I was kinda surprised it was that heavy

Similar to the YamaCat with EPS from last year

Some of the guys over on QuebecRider.com are still riding fresh groomed trails in Quebec.

900 Turbo r is a heavy bastard wow

Northern Maine has some good snow still it would probably be worth a trip from reports I’ve seen.

It's funny as shit to watch though. Constant pwnage.

The trouble with AC getting intellectually bear down is it’s like being dead. He doesn’t have the wear with all to know he’s being owned.

shit adds up... SP5 is between 430-461lbs dry depending on who you want to believe, toss in 11gallons of gas (+69lbs) a gallon of oil (+7lbs) and a gallon of coolant (+9lbs) equals 546lbs on the high side... so right there with the 600's on their list. Now, strip that estart, add a titanium muffler and...

I'm not giving those guys a click. I guess the shocks and gauges could add some weight.

shocks, gauge, windshield, C&A's and pre-studded track are different from EXT to 600 with PS but they go over that... in the video

I think there are people that would like to but don't know wtf to do. Like myself. Seems like a lot of stuff to do and instead of reading a 50 page rule book to do one race a year for fun, I'll just not do it. They don't make it that easy for new people to dip their toes in. They could have a dedicated page to instruct new people exactly everything they need to know and do to show up and race including a timeline of the day. Or a YouTube video explaining it. Something. I've emailed them before and got no response. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I should weigh my Jags that'd get people crying

Where did the 20 pounds in the ext come from over the 600? Thought the 858 was lighter

How much more would the cats weigh if they put the steel cross shaft in?

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