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nope... and I'm not opposed to it either, especially for people who can't pull start their sleds or get it back on the track and skis if they tip one over. you know... for weaklings.

2025 2S average tossing out the Neo, 4S's and touring sleds is 604lbs

I can tell you've never rode one. Carry on.

what's it weigh? I'm not completely opposed to it but can't think of anything I've been on where it would be necessary. 580lbs full of fluids in the comparison is apparently the new 'light'... if you add up the 2S sleds and exclude the 4S sleds... it's a 605lb average. that's math... limiter strap adjustments increase/decrease ski pressure and increase/decrease front end lift on acceleration... big part of the teeter totter

April 7th, still snow on the ground and -1F this morning. This climate change thing is killing my heating costs

One of his sw has doo pilot skis the others stock skis still I believe and he’s tinkered with settings on both of them. He did say on the last ride when I took it for a rip that it needed more adjustment and was messing with it most the day. I think he tightened the limiter strap before we left to help with the new tune or something.

EPS is not the same as estart. 580# isn't a "light" sled either. But if you're so concerned about light sleds, EPS will make the sled feel much lighter.

stocks skis and please tell me it didn't have those fucking snow trackers on it...? was it ever adjusted or setup or just box stock? I concur on the procross based seating position completely compared to just about anything else currently out there. getting the balance on the 'teeter totter' right alone really helps. teeter totter = fts spring and limiter straps are the center, ski springs and ski shock setup are one end, torsions and rts settings the other. as long as the fts setup is appropriate for the rider and most general conditions it generally only takes slight adjustments on one end of the teeter totter or the other to alter the steering and dampening dynamix... from my experience, if that makes sense.

Heavy steering was what I notice the most it just feels like there’s more weight upfront than the doo, I also don’t care for the seating position. It could just be a simple adjustment or skis or I’m a wimp 😝 idk I wasn’t gonna start tweaking setting on a sleds that’s aren’t mine.

what specifically felt heavier about it... the steering, flick ability, in the bumps? setup is huge and imo most average folks spend very little if any time dialing their sleds in from the way it came out of the crate. sometimes just minor tinkering and adjustments to springs and shocks can dramatically alter the way a sled feels and performs. when my brother was here and it was 64F we spent the better part of a day changing his new to him 5hundo to similar specs as mine including something as silly as the angle of the bar riser and bars to make it steer easily riding stand up or sitting. tiny details...

I was talking 4stroke to 4stroke winder to 900r, maybe it was just the way they are set up idk but that was how it felt to me.

who needs EPS on a light weight sled? same type that needs electric start and a fancy gauge? now here's a chuckle for you... this XCR I bought has estart and the pidd gauge. not shit I would have ordered one with. I've never owned a sled with electric start.. and just might keep it on there. when I get around to doing the chain case service and remove the battery I'll decide if I'm putting the battery and starter on the shelf or sticking it back in. it's also going to get the SLP muffler which is a good weight shaver over the stock suitcase. one of the reasons I decided to get a newer sled being completely honest is reverse. I'm not getting any younger and after breaking in and sorting out my brother's RXC all winter, I discovered that was a feature I couldn't live without any longer for a regular use trail whip.

I agree. There is now a 600R and a 900 ACE in the shop, neither of my doing. Give me that 600R any day of the week! Which is fine as the wife prefers that 900 ACE. She damn well should since she bought both of them...

If you’re talking 4 strokes I find it the complete opposite, thunderwinder feels pretty comparable to any procross, the doo feels like it’s 2 stroke counterpart impregnated with quadruplets.

And the cats have eps.

It was a blizzard earlier today. I was gonna ride today but it is way too windy. Still snowing now. Got a couple inches of new snow out of this

The thing with the DB type stuff, and it is something I disagree with the ST guys on is those type of racers typically want all the benefits of some well run, well polished full benefit race series, but don't want to share in the cost of it. The crew and trailers and trucks, and all the markers and equipment don't come for free, or even all that cheap. Could Todd do better? Sure, everyone could. Brian could have done better, Pat could have done better, and so on down the line. The thing to remember is that crew is paid, at least Brian's was. Paid, lodged and fed. The trucks, trailers, sleds, etc. all have a cost. I'd bet they are there for 4 or 5 days including race days setting up, tearing down, etc. I know the USXC guys were. I don't want to shit on others ideas, but when you scratch down a bit, some of the stuff ideas fall a bit short. All I can say is go on the Facespace, here, or go to a race or two and ask questions. IMO, I think XC is far and away the most open and least click-y of snowmobile racing. The one lunger stuff is the same way. I know some racers who will tell you to go look at their sled and write down their clutching. At the end of the day, you still have to out-ride them. You show up, pay your entry fee and a barcode timing sticker if it is your first race and off you go. No ISR stuff, much more relaxed, I'm fairly certain event insurance only. I don't agree. I have to get a license for each sanction and class I race under. 4 sanctions, 2 classes in 3 of them for a total of 7 licenses. I'm technically supposed to have a set of contingency sponsor decals on each car, a decal displaying my weight and motor selection, shit on my driver's suit, stamped parts for specific sanctions, tires for classes and sanctions, different drivetrains for series, etc. My safety gear alone (helmet, firesuit, underwear, shoes, gloves, HANS, belts, seat, onboard fire suppression, etc.) costs more then most new snowmobiles do. You can certainly do it different then how I do and stick to 1 sanction and a few tracks, a used quality seat, suit, etc and do it for far cheaper, but you get the point. To get into racing COR, I think it is easier. You don't have to go hunt down or tape up a helmet to meet 75% orange, in reality your sled only needs a working tether, brakelight, and headlight, you can snag a $20 hunting vest from Wally and some duct tape numbers. Sure, you get to deal with the various fees and licenses and whatnot, but seriously, you can go run that Jag Z in the trail or classics class at Park Rapids in the woods and have a blast riding those trails as fast as you dare go. There used to be a guy who would show up to only PR with a Phazer, like 60 years old, and go rip the hell out of it. Only race he'd do every year.

I would disagree. You can race a dirt bike in ama district series every weekend in multiple disciplines with 2 annual memberships that run about 90$ total and race entries are typically about $40. Hell if you do national enduros you only need an AMA card which is 40ish a year plus the race entry fee. Car racing, easier. Mountain bike racing, easier. Even racing sleds at ERX is considerably easier. Usxc/cor has been the most difficult to get into for me. Maybe it's their way of keeping retards like me out or people that aren't all in, which I'm fine with.

Yup. I think sections of the Gaspe are good too.

They got a boat load up there still 50+ inches north of the river.

'feels' doesn't always apply to reality I guess... though if my memory is correct the ST guys were surprised the YC weighed in where it did

what are the associated fees and requirements to run for a day in that one-lunger series @racinfarmer ? COR events seem to have a few financial barriers for one timers, first timers and tightwads according to the pod. of course, insurance is a big part of that but this premium seems to go along with everything fun in today's litigious society.

The doo feels lighter to me in my limited time on both. That’s why I was kinda surprised it was that heavy

Similar to the YamaCat with EPS from last year

Some of the guys over on QuebecRider.com are still riding fresh groomed trails in Quebec.