Anler Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, racer254 said: I don't support big government overreach. I just simply stated that these questions are trying to be "gotcha" types of questions. She knows the answers and is just baiting. I would love to watch you debate Hillary Clinton... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Arctic Cat Destroyer said: I would love to watch you debate Hillary Clinton... I would love to do it. We can start with something about snowmobiles then work our way to internet regulation. I definitely wouldn't debate her on how to skirt the law.....she is an expert at that. Edited November 8, 2017 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 8, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Corporations. With money from customers. No customers no taxes. Edited November 8, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: With money from customers. No customers no taxes. That's like saying my employer pays my mortgage. It's a stupid argument for stupid people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: That's like saying my employer pays my mortgage. It's a stupid argument for stupid people Well, What do you propose to solve it? Get rid of income taxes and only have a sales tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: Well, What do you propose to solve it? Get rid of income taxes and only have a sales tax? Get rid of capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Get rid of capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Get rid of capitalism. Capitalism is good, it's crony capitalism that needs to be addressed and until that happens this country will not be as great as it once was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, snoughnut said: Capitalism is good, it's crony capitalism that needs to be addressed and until that happens this country will not be as great as it once was. Sounds liberal but okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 8, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, motonoggin said: That's like saying my employer pays my mortgage. It's a stupid argument for stupid people No its not. Your mortgage is not the govt. and your wages are not broke down by costs and margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 8, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Get rid of capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: No its not. Your mortgage is not the govt. and your wages are not broke down by costs and margin. I could charge less for my wage if I didn't have to pay a mortgage. This is the exact same argument you are making regarding corporate profits and taxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 8, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I could charge less for my wage if I didn't have to pay a mortgage. This is the exact same argument you are making regarding corporate profits and taxes A mortgage is a negotiated purchase that you choose to take on. Sorry taxes are neither negotiated or chosen. Who is paying property taxes? Its an expense just like materials or labor going into the product just like Income Tax Expense is on the Corp Income Statement. Edited November 8, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: A mortgage is a negotiated purchase that you choose to take on. Sorry taxes are neither negotiated or chosen. Who is paying property taxes? Its an expense just like materials or labor going into the product. Lol. "You could just be homeless" - ancient capitalist proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 8, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Just now, motonoggin said: Lol. "You could just be homeless" - ancient capitalist proverb Or living in someone's basement rent free. Edited November 8, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Or living in someone's basement rent free. Labor should be free. After all, consumers ultimately pay wages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 8, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Labor should be free. After all, consumers ultimately pay wages They do. If they think the price of product A is too high and choose product B it very well may have come from the labor being too high in A. If I hire a independent contractor to clean my house I'd say I'm paying part of their wages. Don't you always claim the consumer drives the market and if the consumer had more money he would buy more and naturally increase wages thru a stronger demand for workers? Bet you think consumers pay executive compensation. In fact I know you do. You constantly argue that drug and insurance costs will go down so much getting rid of them. Edited November 8, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 37 minutes ago, Highmark said: They do. If they think the price of product A is too high and choose product B it very well may have come from the labor being too high in A. If I hire a independent contractor to clean my house I'd say I'm paying part of their wages. Don't you always claim the consumer drives the market and if the consumer had more money he would buy more and naturally increase wages thru a stronger demand for workers? Bet you think consumers pay executive compensation. In fact I know you do. You constantly argue that drug and insurance costs will go down so much getting rid of them. I'm going to twist your argument up in knots as soon as I get off the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: Get rid of capitalism. Who maintains everything in your utopia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, MiSledder said: Who maintains everything in your utopia? People, same as it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: People, same as it is today. Ah huh, what motivates them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, MiSledder said: Ah huh, what motivates them? "People won't work unless they are threatened with starvation" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, motonoggin said: "People won't work unless they are threatened with starvation" I agree. It’s time for welfare reform!!!!! I know, I know.... “wall”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: "People won't work unless they are threatened with starvation" So without threat of starvation they will still work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, MiSledder said: So without threat of starvation they will still work? Yes of course. Would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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