Anler Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 3 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: I agree, but even here we have an issue with extended health care benefits. One of my suppliers had his premiums double cause he had no limit to coverages and one of the employees got really sick. Not gonna solve all your problems. Again you are looking at this as an insurance issue. Thats not even part of the real solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Anler said: I think the cost is the reason but not just because its expensive but WHY it is expensive. And the WHY is something that never gets addressed and will NEVER get changed. yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 15, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Anler said: Our govt is well on a path to bankruptcy on its own. And medical bills is the #1 cause of personal bankruptcies. And that is part of the reason medical costs being as high as they are. I don't doubt we are paying for those that can't. My point is and always has been the left will NEVER pass anything that significantly changes that. Those that don't pay won't and those of us that will only more under single payer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: I don't doubt we are paying for those that can't. My point is and always has been the left will NEVER pass anything that significantly changes that. Those that don't pay won't and those of us that will only more under single payer. Conservative logic right here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: I don't doubt we are paying for those that can't. My point is and always has been the left will NEVER pass anything that significantly changes that. Those that don't pay won't and those of us that will only more under single payer. Well the rest of the world figured out a solution. And they arent having these debates... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Conservative logic right here... If your whole argument is "Someone isnt going to pay their fair share!" Well, you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Anler said: Well the rest of the world figured out a solution. And they arent having these debates... But merica is egseptionull! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 15, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, Anler said: Well the rest of the world figured out a solution. And they arent having these debates... 1. You cannot compare the US to the rest of the world. 2. The countries with UHC have their share of problems. Tons of them and the financial impacts are just one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, Anler said: If your whole argument is "Someone isnt going to pay their fair share!" Well, you know... Fucking guys are idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: But merica is egseptionull! Just now, Highmark said: 1. You cannot compare the US to the rest of the world. 2. The countries with UHC have their share of problems. Tons of them and the financial impacts are just one of them. Called it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: 1. You cannot compare the US to the rest of the world. 2. The countries with UHC have their share of problems. Tons of them and the financial impacts are just one of them. Sure but you are looking at this as insurance as part of the solution. IMO that is never going to be part of the solution. This issue has many components. A healthier population should be part of the solution as well. But food companies, pharmaceutical companies and medical providers are going to lose money and that just isnt part of the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 15, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Skidmark with more bully bitch mentality - focus on the downtrodden while being robbed blind by the multibillion dollar insurance corporation building a new campus across the street. How about focusing on the real cost of HC - 5% of patients who account for nearly 50% of HC costs and real end of life decisions that many right wingers oppose: http://time.com/money/2793643/cutting-the-high-cost-of-end-of-life-care/ Edited September 15, 2017 by SnowRider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Anler said: Sure but you are looking at this as insurance as part of the solution. IMO that is never going to be part of the solution. This issue has many components. A healthier population should be part of the solution as well. But food companies, pharmaceutical companies and medical providers are going to lose money and that just isnt part of the discussion. Lots of evidence the typical American diet is making us sicker and fatter. HFCS, glyphosphate, pesticides, etc would all be looked at real hard if we went to single payer. We'd have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 15, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lots of evidence the typical American diet is making us sicker and fatter. HFCS, glyphosphate, pesticides, etc would all be looked at real hard if we went to single payer. We'd have to. Government is bad, science is a liberal conspiracy, regulations kill monsanto's profits, clean water and air are left to the discretion of big business.......and best of all....you think both sides are the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Lots of evidence the typical American diet is making us sicker and fatter. HFCS, glyphosphate, pesticides, etc would all be looked at real hard if we went to single payer. We'd have to. Its really disgusting and isnt being debated. Many of the food additives we use here are banned in other countries due to the adverse health risks. Proven health risks. Only in merica. And the argument for not banning them here? People need to take responsibility for what they put in their mouths... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I don't have time to read back through everything here right now but quick question. Anybody here have any idea why right now, when the country is supposedly trying their damnest to come up with an affordable solution for healthcare for everyone, is building one right after another of these new fancy "urgent care" centers all over the place? They seem to be popping up all over, and multiple ones within a close proximity of another. Was to one twice last week two separate days and both times 2-3 doctors, a couple of "nurses", 2 receptionists, and only one other patient besides me, and I was only there for CDL physical. Where's all this money coming from, and what's the theory on it? Seems costly to me when the nation should be scaling back on expenses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lots of evidence the typical American diet is making us sicker and fatter. HFCS, glyphosphate, pesticides, etc would all be looked at real hard if we went to single payer. We'd have to. glyphosate The way to grow plentiful cheap food! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Government is bad, science is a liberal conspiracy, regulations kill monsanto's profits, clean water and air are left to the discretion of big business.......and best of all....you think both sides are the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 minute ago, hayward said: glyphosate The way to grow plentiful cheap food! And slowly poison your population... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 minute ago, hayward said: I don't have time to read back through everything here right now but quick question. Anybody here have any idea why right now, when the country is supposedly trying their damnest to come up with an affordable solution for healthcare for everyone, is building one right after another of these new fancy "urgent care" centers all over the place? They seem to be popping up all over, and multiple ones within a close proximity of another. Was to one twice last week two separate days and both times 2-3 doctors, a couple of "nurses", 2 receptionists, and only one other patient besides me, and I was only there for CDL physical. Where's all this money coming from, and what's the theory on it? Seems costly to me when the nation should be scaling back on expenses? We use several clinic networks for our in house medical monitoring of employees and also for injury treatment on job sites(non-life threatening of course). They faster and more affordable as they dont have the immense overhead of a full blown hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Congrats Moto, you just posted the dumbest meme in history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 15, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lots of evidence the typical American diet is making us sicker and fatter. HFCS, glyphosphate, pesticides, etc would all be looked at real hard if we went to single payer. We'd have to. And there it is. More control. Again priceless coming from a true non authoritarian Commie. I agree American's could and should live healthier but for the most part its by choice not what the govt isn't doing. 18 minutes ago, Anler said: Sure but you are looking at this as insurance as part of the solution. IMO that is never going to be part of the solution. This issue has many components. A healthier population should be part of the solution as well. But food companies, pharmaceutical companies and medical providers are going to lose money and that just isnt part of the discussion. Of course we can't expect anyone to do anything on their own regarding living a healthy lifestyle. Are either or you healthy? If so why? Edited September 15, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, hayward said: I don't have time to read back through everything here right now but quick question. Anybody here have any idea why right now, when the country is supposedly trying their damnest to come up with an affordable solution for healthcare for everyone, is building one right after another of these new fancy "urgent care" centers all over the place? They seem to be popping up all over, and multiple ones within a close proximity of another. Was to one twice last week two separate days and both times 2-3 doctors, a couple of "nurses", 2 receptionists, and only one other patient besides me, and I was only there for CDL physical. Where's all this money coming from, and what's the theory on it? Seems costly to me when the nation should be scaling back on expenses? spot fucking on, we went from none within 20 minutes to 8, I have 3 within 6 minutes of where I work 2 24/7 and one 12 hour a day on top of a full hospital w/ ER 2 miles from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 15, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 15, 2017 Poisoning our food supply and asking for more leniency to do so..... Still the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, Highmark said: And there it is. More control. Again priceless coming from a true non authoritarian Commie. I agree American's could and should live healthier but for the most part its by choice not what the govt isn't doing. Of course we can't expect anyone to do anything on their own regarding living a healthy lifestyle. Are either or you healthy? If so why? Ah yes, the 'informed consumer' defense. It's somewhat difficult to be an informed consumer when companies refuse to disclose all sorts of shit to the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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