AKIQPilot Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: And the all other things being equal was also conceded early in the original discussion. It was agreed that shaft twist, chain stretch, ect. was not part of the "all other things being equal". Otherwise we would end up in a situation where the argument was in essence can an unchangeable FDR be changed, obviously and absurd query. Neal The original question, from the very first post was "all other things equal" All things equal means exactly that. All things equal except lug height. Try to wrap your head around that Neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, AKIQPilot said: The front lugs flick in the opposite direction as the rear they would offset any effect the rear might have. Net Sum ZERO. Simple as that. Incorrect, they sweep in the same direction, you are 100% incorrect in that assessment. Sure, over any time that can be the case, it can also be that when measured at non-peak of the wave times the ratio is not equal. This is the part that you seem to be failing to understand. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Net Sum ZERO. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, AKIQPilot said: The original question, from the very first post was "all other things equal" All things equal means exactly that. All things equal except lug height. Try to wrap your head around that Neal. Again, then it becomes and absurd question. Can you change an unchangeable. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Incorrect, they sweep in the same direction, you are 100% incorrect in that assessment. Sure, over any time that can be the case, it can also be that when measured at non-peak of the wave times the ratio is not equal. This is the part that you seem to be failing to understand. Neal the lug tip at moment of flick indeed accelerates in the same direction rounding both drivers and rear axle Edited September 14, 2017 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Net Sum ZERO. Simple as that. It isn't, and repeating the phrase over and over again isn't going to change it, nor is it a good debate tactic. Lets try this, do you agree that the ratio can change over time, vary within a full cycle, but that variance equals exactly the general calculated rate for exactly one cycle? Neal Edited September 14, 2017 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: It isn't, and repeating the phrase over and over again isn't going to change it, nor is it a good debate tactic. Lets try this, do you agree that the ratio can change over time, vary within a full cycle, but that variance equals exactly the general calculated rate for exactly one cycle? Neal I do not generally agree with that being allowed in the simple definition of final drive ratio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: It isn't, and repeating the phrase over and over again isn't going to change it, nor is it a good debate tactic. Lets try this, do you agree that the ratio can change over time, vary within a full cycle, but that variance equals exactly the general calculated rate? Neal Fluctuations during 1 complete cycle are surely present. They are present regardless of the height of the lug. The premise is simple. Try not to overthink it. One revolution of the driven clutch. Which sled moves further? The sled with a 3" track or the sled with no lugs on the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, f7ben said: I do not generally agree with that being allowed in the simple definition of final drive ratio That's fine, however there is a problem then when things don't complete a full revolution or cycle then. A theoretical description can (and in this case clearly is) different from the general real world description. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 So does lug height affect final drive ratio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: So does lug height affect final drive ratio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Fluctuations during 1 complete cycle are surely present. They are present regardless of the height of the lug. The premise is simple. Try not to overthink it. One revolution of the driven clutch. Which sled moves further? The sled with a 3" track or the sled with no lugs on the track. Ok, we agree on sentence one, and also on sentence two. However, sentence two can also be rewritten such that fluctuations are present regardless of the height of the lug, yet the lug height can also introduce fluctuations. I do understand the simple, and also the more complex premise going on in the discussion. Under normal real world conditions we would say that the sleds move the same (and I agree with and am happy stating that this is the case we all should go by), in theory they could move slightly different lengths, which is nearly impossible to measure, nor do we care because the results between the two balance out over time if we were to keep constantly measuring. The lug flick is one of the fluctuations that happens during the cycle as you mentioned. It isn't anything more complicated than that. Changing lug height can change those fluctuations (which are changes in the FDR). It's that simple. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: So does lug height affect final drive ratio? Only in Canada, because it's metric. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: Only in Canada, because it's metric. Neal Does it change per hemisphere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Does it change per hemisphere No because the world is flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Does it change per hemisphere No, only under a monarchy. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: No because the world is flat After laughing at JT I did some FE research, and they do offer an inciting theory for the extinction of the dinos... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hwytohell Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 18 hours ago, jtssrx said: http://www.tmz.com/2017/09/13/al-sharpton-jemele-hill-boycott-espn-trump/?adid=sidebarwidget-most-popular rev. al has put down his espn marker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 9 hours ago, motonoggin said: Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 On 9/13/2017 at 6:56 AM, NaturallyAspirated said: It wasn't done on the channel, a reporter did it via tweets, not sanctioned by the network. Neal Neither were Curt Shilling or Mike Ditka's comments but they were fired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, jtssrx said: Neither were Curt Shilling or Mike Ditka's comments but they were fired And what did I say about that? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 22 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Neal Even Camoplast said lug height had no affect on final drive ratio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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