Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 this will work great. Best solution so far for increasing grid and making it reliable. https://electrek.co/2023/10/10/us-utility-battery-storage-2030-gmp/ Vermonts largest power company is going to put Tesla Powerwalls at everyone of its 270,000 customers vs building new powerlines. Create microgrids across its service area as it strives for zero outage by 2030. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 55.00 per month...you can buy and own a generator for 1.5 years of the lease. And will last 15+ years at normal usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) so why should they have to pay for powerwall if power company using them to help their grid?So who pays for electricity to charge wall and then when power company uses powerwall does the owner get a refund from power used.I can see how these would be great for grid just trying to figure out how owner would make out? I know if i had solar panels i would definitely have some type of storage!! Edited October 11, 2023 by X2700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Is there one more way I can put the government in control of my power? Another example of the sheep willfully allowing the wolves to decide what is for dinner. A supposed 'conservative' thinks this is fine... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, X2700 said: so why should they have to pay for powerwall if power company using them to help their grid?So who pays for electricity to charge wall and then when power company uses powerwall does the owner get a refund from power used.I can see how these would be great for grid just trying to figure out how owner would make out? I know if i had solar panels i would definitely have some type of storage!! The way I read it besides those who choose to lease, the new proposal to the PUC is green mountain will install power walls at the customers place and just charge them for electricity they use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Many will pay the monthly as most spend more a month on grub hub delivery services alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Snake said: Is there one more way I can put the government in control of my power? Another example of the sheep willfully allowing the wolves to decide what is for dinner. A supposed 'conservative' thinks this is fine... I can imagine your whine if there were zero government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Just now, Mainecat said: Many will pay the monthly as most spend more a month on grub hub delivery services alone. Vermont is a blue state, another option for you to rid yourself of the red state you should despise... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: I can imagine your whine if there were zero government. Rarely is there a problem where less government is not the answer. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted October 11, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Snake said: Rarely is there a problem where less government is not the answer. Defund the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, Snake said: Is there one more way I can put the government in control of my power? Another example of the sheep willfully allowing the wolves to decide what is for dinner. A supposed 'conservative' thinks this is fine... Government can shut off gas pump and easily control your movement what this does creates a more resilient, cost effective and reliable powergrid. This is infrastructure building 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Government can shut off gas pump and easily control your movement what this does creates a more resilient, cost effective and reliable powergrid. This is infrastructure building So you vote is for the veal..... Unsurprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 Just now, Snake said: So you vote is for the veal..... Unsurprising. They can flip a breaker from a computer and shut you off. They can shut down refineries in a fraction of a second with a stroke of a keyboard. Adding battery storage to their customers is not any additional form of intrusion into your life. This is expanding infrastructure, increasing reliability to the grid and expanding energy. veal is much better then the koolaid you been chugging 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 no doubt as battery technology gets better these walls will be the ticket.Id think this would help bill in peak energy demands you could fall back on wall and not pay high rates?i would think you could control your wall if needed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, BOHICA said: They can flip a breaker from a computer and shut you off. They can shut down refineries in a fraction of a second with a stroke of a keyboard. Adding battery storage to their customers is not any additional form of intrusion into your life. This is expanding infrastructure, increasing reliability to the grid and expanding energy. veal is much better then the koolaid you been chugging Your electric ship that went hundreds of miles yet never got further away than 17 miles is Cherry flavor.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, X2700 said: no doubt as battery technology gets better these walls will be the ticket.Id think this would help bill in peak energy demands you could fall back on wall and not pay high rates?i would think you could control your wall if needed? If you own or lease I would say you have control but I think Green mountain want to install them at their expense at each meter and then they control them. Which if the installed 270,000 powerwalls they would have close to 3 million kwhs of generation they can deliver to customers during outages and such. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Snake said: Your electric ship that went hundreds of miles yet never got further away than 17 miles is Cherry flavor.... Went really far. I think they were able to cover 400 some miles in a 24 hour period. But this is infrastructure, energy expansion and growth. Nothing wrong with more energy and increased reliability of the infrastructure. thinking this is more intrusion by the government is dripper level retarded Edited October 11, 2023 by BOHICA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 55 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Defund the police. You confuse the things govt is supposed to do with the things they actually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted October 11, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, BOHICA said: Government can shut off gas pump and easily control your movement what this does creates a more resilient, cost effective and reliable powergrid. This is infrastructure building Vermonts largest power company is going to put Tesla Powerwalls at everyone of its 270,000 customers vs building new powerlines. Sounds like avoiding infrastructure building. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said: Vermonts largest power company is going to put Tesla Powerwalls at everyone of its 270,000 customers vs building new powerlines. Sounds like avoiding infrastructure building. So increasing energy supply and grid reliability isn’t infrastructure building? 😂 Edited October 11, 2023 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 59 minutes ago, BOHICA said: So increasing energy supply and grid reliability isn’t infrastructure building? 😂 Installation of storage devices isn't an increase of energy supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Installation of storage devices isn't an increase of energy supply. How is it not? You can generate more energy than needed and store it for when you need it but don’t have the capacity on the grid. More energy is being generated then would be to fill these powerwalls then without them. It’s a wireless solution to grid reliability and capacity issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 53 minutes ago, BOHICA said: How is it not? You can generate more energy than needed and store it for when you need it but don’t have the capacity on the grid. More energy is being generated then would be to fill these powerwalls then without them. It’s a wireless solution to grid reliability and capacity issues. You are simply charging your customers to store power for you. You don't have higher output at the generation site nor higher capacity to transmit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, SkisNH said: You are simply charging your customers to store power for you. You don't have higher output at the generation site nor higher capacity to transmit. Yes you increase your capacity on grid cause you have energy able to be delivered at the consumer location rather than having to transmit it over the grid. California and Texas are using Tesla batteries to lessen the strain on grid at peak times. It’s like having natural gas peaker plants at every bodies meter that release energy to the grid when needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 29 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Yes you increase your capacity on grid cause you have energy able to be delivered at the consumer location rather than having to transmit it over the grid. California and Texas are using Tesla batteries to lessen the strain on grid at peak times. It’s like having natural gas peaker plants at every bodies meter that release energy to the grid when needed Does the grid capacity increase when people buy generators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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