Mineral usage in clean energy vs other energy sources. Its not just lithium with "green energy."

[Highmark]

  Invest wisely.

https://v16m-webapp.tiktokcdn-us.com/8d3e9449dd9f42145dc84315cfeece8c/6255b5c8/video/tos/useast2a/tos-useast2a-pve-0068/475fad1f98624485ac066bca74913bec/?a=1988&br=2930&bt=1465&cd=0|0|1|0&ch=0&cr=0&cs=0&cv=1&dr=0&ds=3&er=&ft=XY53A3E7nz7ThJVYaDXq&l=202204121123340101130060691C080B27&lr=tiktok_m&mime_type=video_mp4&net=0&pl=0&qs=0&rc=M2hoczc6Zng6PDMzNzczM0ApZGg1ZGdmOWQ5Nzg0ZDZlM2duZ2kxcjRfMzRgLS1kMTZzc2JgYC5iYzBiMGAtXmI2Yi46Yw%3D%3D&vl=&vr=

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/minerals-used-in-clean-energy-technologies-compared-to-other-power-generation-sources

 

Edited April 12, 2022 by Highmark

[Steve753]

30 minutes ago, Highmark said:

  Invest wisely.

https://v16m-webapp.tiktokcdn-us.com/8d3e9449dd9f42145dc84315cfeece8c/6255b5c8/video/tos/useast2a/tos-useast2a-pve-0068/475fad1f98624485ac066bca74913bec/?a=1988&br=2930&bt=1465&cd=0|0|1|0&ch=0&cr=0&cs=0&cv=1&dr=0&ds=3&er=&ft=XY53A3E7nz7ThJVYaDXq&l=202204121123340101130060691C080B27&lr=tiktok_m&mime_type=video_mp4&net=0&pl=0&qs=0&rc=M2hoczc6Zng6PDMzNzczM0ApZGg1ZGdmOWQ5Nzg0ZDZlM2duZ2kxcjRfMzRgLS1kMTZzc2JgYC5iYzBiMGAtXmI2Yi46Yw%3D%3D&vl=&vr=

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/minerals-used-in-clean-energy-technologies-compared-to-other-power-generation-sources

 

Clean energy is a cash cow. 

When the president starts flying around in an electric plane, I'll consider an electric vehicle.

Edited April 12, 2022 by Steve753

[Highmark]

2 hours ago, Steve753 said:

Clean energy is a cash cow. 

When the president starts flying around in an electric plane, I'll consider an electric vehicle.

Electric vehicles make up just 1.2% of cars in California.   Imagine the minerals needed moving forward to accomplish the green idiots goals worldwide.

Used gas vehicles are gonna continue to go up in value and people will drive them into the ground.   

Edited April 12, 2022 by Highmark

[Anler]

Solar has never been very efficient and its costly to maintain. And in some areas of the world they dont get a whole lot of sunshine. Most of the old coal power plants are going offline and being dismantled. We have already scrapped a few in Illinois. Natural gas has been the replacement. I know Pennsylvania and Ohio are building gas plants also. The pipelines are already in place

[spin_dry]

The main holdback in sales is the cost of EV’s. Regardless, EV’s have risen to over 5% of new car purchases. That’s doubled in just a couple of years. Musk will be grappling with the cost issue very soon. He’s got some inexpensive vehicles arriving very soon. The sulphur based batteries Tesla has ready to go will drop mineral use dramatically and significantly increase energy density. The next step in the evolution of cells with be the sodium based type. That’ll be a game changer. 

[Rod]

Imagine the electrical grid infrastructure needed to support even 20% EV’s 

[Anler]

2 minutes ago, ACE said:

Imagine the electrical grid infrastructure needed to support even 20% EV’s 

I can't wait to take my first flight on an ev airliner. 

[Rod]

6 minutes ago, Anler said:

I can't wait to take my first flight on an ev airliner. 

Unless they can make a fission powered airliner you might be waiting a long time 

[Steve753]

1 hour ago, spin_dry said:

The main holdback in sales is the cost of EV’s. Regardless, EV’s have risen to over 5% of new car purchases. That’s doubled in just a couple of years. Musk will be grappling with the cost issue very soon. He’s got some inexpensive vehicles arriving very soon. The sulphur based batteries Tesla has ready to go will drop mineral use dramatically and significantly increase energy density. The next step in the evolution of cells with be the sodium based type. That’ll be a game changer. 

Until there's more range and less charging time needed, it will never become  dominant.

[Anler]

49 minutes ago, ACE said:

Unless they can make a fission powered airliner you might be waiting a long time 

Damn

[Highmark]

2 hours ago, spin_dry said:

The main holdback in sales is the cost of EV’s. Regardless, EV’s have risen to over 5% of new car purchases. That’s doubled in just a couple of years. Musk will be grappling with the cost issue very soon. He’s got some inexpensive vehicles arriving very soon. The sulphur based batteries Tesla has ready to go will drop mineral use dramatically and significantly increase energy density. The next step in the evolution of cells with be the sodium based type. That’ll be a game changer. 

5% of cars or consumer vehicles (including trucks)?  Huge difference. 

Edited April 12, 2022 by Highmark

[Rod]

3 hours ago, Anler said:

Damn

Imagine how big and heavy the batter pack alone would have to be on an airliner 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Anler said:

I can't wait to take my first flight on an ev airliner. 

Imagine the recharge time  Every airport will need a generating station

[Anler]

20 minutes ago, ACE said:

Imagine how big and heavy the batter pack alone would have to be on an airliner 

Propellers are just like windmills!

[Rod]

1 hour ago, Anler said:

Propellers are just like windmills!

Wow it’ll charge as it flies!

[Steve753]

1 hour ago, Anler said:

Propellers are just like windmills!

Just but it in glide mode!

[spin_dry]

The smart people are moving to EV's. That means total vehicle use of EV's will never climb about 12% in America.

Edited April 13, 2022 by spin_dry

[BOHICA]

21 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

The smart people are moving to EV's. In America, that means total vehicle use of EV's will never climb about 12%

Good thing about EV’s is they last longer then most ICE vehicles do.  Then once car is used up the battery is recycled and 95% of the raw materials are recovered and reused in new EV batteries.  So once EV’s hit 100% of our transportation very little raw materials will need to be extracted to make batteries for new EV’s as they will be mostly from recycled feedstock.

 

https://www.energy-storage.news/redwood-materials-already-gets-6gwh-of-lithium-batteries-per-year-for-recycling/

The company is already receiving the majority of lithium-ion batteries collected and recycled in North America, and that amounts to approximately 6GWh of end-of-life lithium batteries, plus scrap, and a 95% average rate of recovery of materials like nickel, cobalt, lithium and copper is claimed by its technologies and processes. 

[spin_dry]

Just now, BOHICA said:

Good thing about EV’s is they last longer then most ICE vehicles do.  Then once car is used up the battery is recycled and 95% of the raw materials are recovered and reused in new EV batteries.  So once EV’s hit 100% of our transportation very little raw materials will need to be extracted to make batteries for new EV’s as they will be mostly from recycled feedstock.

 

https://www.energy-storage.news/redwood-materials-already-gets-6gwh-of-lithium-batteries-per-year-for-recycling/

The company is already receiving the majority of lithium-ion batteries collected and recycled in North America, and that amounts to approximately 6GWh of end-of-life lithium batteries, plus scrap, and a 95% average rate of recovery of materials like nickel, cobalt, lithium and copper is claimed by its technologies and processes. 

Cool stuff. The biggest bottleneck producing batteries is the shortage of nickel. Musk put out a shout a few weeks about wanting contracts with nickel producers. Many of the minerals used in batteries will no longer be necessary with the merging sulfur and sodium based technologies. The sulfur based based Musk will release have a range of 900 miles and a 4 million mile lifespan..Batteries look nothing like they did 5 years ago. In another 5 years they'll once again be completely different. EV's are still in their infancy. 

[BOHICA]

5 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

Cool stuff. The biggest bottleneck producing batteries is the shortage of nickel. Musk put out a shout a few weeks about wanting contracts with nickel producers. Many of the minerals used in batteries will no longer be necessary with the merging sulfur and sodium based technologies. The sulfur based based Musk will release have a range of 900 miles and a 4 million mile lifespan..Batteries look nothing like they did 5 years ago. In another 5 years they'll once again be completely different. EV's are still in their infancy. 

With each recycle of a battery it gets more pure and a better product.  According to straubel EV’s are just way more valuable at the end of life vs traditional autos.  There is huge value in used up batteries.  They are already recycling enough material to build a couple hundred thousand EV’s.

https://electrek.co/2022/03/28/tesla-co-founder-cto-jb-straubel-ev-batteries-last-15-years/amp/

Aside from packs that had defects, most battery packs that have been replaced were in EVs that had an excessive amount of mileage. For example, I had a Model X with over 400,000 miles, and it had a battery replacement at about 325,000 miles. But, for most EV owners who use their cars normally, we have to estimate the longevity of battery packs based on battery degradation, which is fairly minimal for the most part.

 

Redwood, Straubel says at 13:00 in, is currently recycling 8-10GWh year which is “Enough for hundreds of thousands of cars”. And, the materials keep getting purer the more times they are recycled.