Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 Everybody here has said all along that if you punish business owners hard that hire illegals the problem will get better yet here is Racer saying hold on a minute...WTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: Everybody here has said all along that if you punish business owners hard that hire illegals the problem will get better yet here is Racer saying hold on a minute...WTF. You know damn well that the businesses that got raided will shut down for a week or two and gear back up with a whole new round of illegal workers. Racer has become excellent entertainment here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: as long as the correct docs were provided they really have to watch themselves when it comes to questioning them They know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: You know damn well that the businesses that got raided will shut down for a week or two and gear back up with a whole new round of illegal workers. Racer has become excellent entertainment here. Absolutely.....this has been going on for years and it will continue Trump or no Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Absolutely.....this has been going on for years and it will continue Trump or no Trump. During the early Obama administration charges against employers hit a high of 25 nationwide per year. Now it’s down to 11. Both are ridiculous numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I see none of you pushing for the business to get charges have answered the simple question I posed. These "illegals" are able to provide all the paper work and if the business has done everything required, what more can they do? You know exactly what I am talking about and what would happen, you are just to afraid to say it or understand it. Instead, you would rather say that I am sticking up for something that I am not, because of your ignorance. Dipshits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, racer254 said: I see none of you pushing for the business to get charges have answered the simple question I posed. These "illegals" are able to provide all the paper work and if the business has done everything required, what more can they do? You know exactly what I am talking about and what would happen, you are just to afraid to say it or understand it. Instead, you would rather say that I am sticking up for something that I am not, because of your ignorance. Dipshits. Already answered...if ICE knew there illegals working there how come the business owners did not and what inntue fuck would anybody be “afraid” of? The raids in Mississippi were a dog and pony show designed to show people that Trump is cracking down on illegals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Already answered...if ICE knew there illegals working there how come the business owners did not and what inntue fuck would anybody be “afraid” of? The raids in Mississippi were a dog and pony show designed to show people that Trump is cracking down on illegals. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) Great, punish the business if they did something wrong, but in 5 years when businesses stop hiring the stereotypical person that looks like an illegal to them, there will be people like spin-dry bitching. Mark my words. Maybe they need to fix the root of the problem. Edited August 13, 2019 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Already answered...if ICE knew there illegals working there how come the business owners did not and what inntue fuck would anybody be “afraid” of? The raids in Mississippi were a dog and pony show designed to show people that Trump is cracking down on illegals. 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: Exactly. Well to be perfectly fair feds/states would have access to SS information that a company wouldn't. For example if a FICA was being collected on a specific SS number in multiple area's where one couldn't be working during the same day. I want employers punished but we must at least give them all the tools needed to know who is here legally and who is not and it must go beyond just being given a SS number. If these companies didn't at least have them fill out I-9's and send for verification they are liable too in my book. Keep in mind false information can be given on an I-9 and they show up as "legal." Edited August 13, 2019 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well to be perfectly fair feds/states would have access to SS information that a company wouldn't. For example if a FICA was being collected on a specific SS number in multiple area's where one couldn't be working during the same day. I want employers punished but we must at least give them all the tools needed to know who is here legally and who is not and it must go beyond just being given a SS number. If these companies didn't at least have them fill out I-9's and send for verification they are liable too in my book. Keep in mind false information can be given on an I-9 and they show up as "legal." No way, if ICE knows they are illegal then the business should as well. Sorry, just being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well to be perfectly fair feds/states would have access to SS information that a company wouldn't. For example if a FICA was being collected on a specific SS number in multiple area's where one couldn't be working during the same day. I want employers punished but we must at least give them all the tools needed to know who is here legally and who is not and it must go beyond just being given a SS number. If these companies didn't at least have them fill out I-9's and send for verification they are liable too in my book. Keep in mind false information can be given on an I-9 and they show up as "legal." Well then that’s an issue and it needs to be addressed...IMO they really don’t want the businesses to know and to be held liable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 49 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well to be perfectly fair feds/states would have access to SS information that a company wouldn't. For example if a FICA was being collected on a specific SS number in multiple area's where one couldn't be working during the same day. I want employers punished but we must at least give them all the tools needed to know who is here legally and who is not and it must go beyond just being given a SS number. If these companies didn't at least have them fill out I-9's and send for verification they are liable too in my book. Keep in mind false information can be given on an I-9 and they show up as "legal." Oh give me a break. These weren’t businesses with just a few illegals that slipped through. They were gross violators of the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: Oh give me a break. These weren’t businesses with just a few illegals that slipped through. They were gross violators of the law. Yes and if they didn't at least do I-9's they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 My god is racer dumber than fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, f7ben said: My god is racer dumber than fuck Sorry, but I can see the future with the liberal bullshit weeded out. Maybe you should go back to talking about slitting throats and the 4th for a while. LOL. Bent ben is at it again. I just can't fathom the way spin et all keep falling for the bullshit. All it takes is a child crying and they are all emotional. Edited August 13, 2019 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 hours ago, spin_dry said: During the early Obama administration charges against employers hit a high of 25 nationwide per year. Now it’s down to 11. Both are ridiculous numbers. They are ridiculous numbers. Contractors who are doing the right thing, paying comp, ss , unemployment should not have to compete against others who are avoiding those costs by hiring illegals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: They are ridiculous numbers. Contractors who are doing the right thing, paying comp, ss , unemployment should not have to compete against others who are avoiding those costs by hiring illegals. It might not be so bad if the costs were being passed on the consumer. We know that’s not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Highmark said: Well to be perfectly fair feds/states would have access to SS information that a company wouldn't. For example if a FICA was being collected on a specific SS number in multiple area's where one couldn't be working during the same day. I want employers punished but we must at least give them all the tools needed to know who is here legally and who is not and it must go beyond just being given a SS number. If these companies didn't at least have them fill out I-9's and send for verification they are liable too in my book. Keep in mind false information can be given on an I-9 and they show up as "legal." Employers need to see 2 forms of ID for new hires. One must be a picture ID. Did this Missi company have those on file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, spin_dry said: It might not be so bad if the costs were being passed on the consumer. We know that’s not true. And most in the const industry are paying them cash. Willing to bet almost all are selling more cash jobs then what it takes to cover payroll. So not only are the employees not paying taxes but neither are the employers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: And most in the const industry are paying them cash. Willing to bet almost all are selling more cash jobs then what it takes to cover payroll. So not only are the employees not paying taxes but neither are the employers. Yeah they are. TBH i wish they would go after the employers more so for tax evasion than hiring illegals. It a big problem for contractors in our industry and the pollacks are the biggest perpetrators. They have all kinds of games they play with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: And most in the const industry are paying them cash. Willing to bet almost all are selling more cash jobs then what it takes to cover payroll. So not only are the employees not paying taxes but neither are the employers. The hospitality industry is notorious for that. There’s an owner of several restaurants in the area that pays some employees cash and the others a taxed wage. The cash workers are mostly illegals. He does it to maximize profits while covering his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 13, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: The hospitality industry is notorious for that. There’s an owner of several restaurants in the area that pays some employees cash and the others a taxed wage. The cash workers are mostly illegals. He does it to maximize profits while covering his ass. Bigtime. All kitchen staff . When they were talking about wanting to bust 2000 a few months back one of my employees said " why don't they just go to new developments and restaurants" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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