xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 You are misreading those photos. A) They start after 8”... B) That isn’t a human body. C) That material shows internal shock, not cavity. D) It is not representative of reality due to the above reasons. I’m promising you that you are wrong. I know this from reality. A 5.56 round does not cavitate in that manner. Sorry. Try some more research. Eventually you will get it right. What you are proposing by drawing likeness of those photos to a human is that a human would have a 4” hole in them. Not the case. Understand the theory you are talking about or pop fucking smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 14, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2018 Might be nothing but the lower round appears to be entering at a slight upward trajectory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 14, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2018 What is this about again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: What is this about again? .223/5.56 leaving softball size exit wounds. Which they do not. Ever. Never. Do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 14, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) Just now, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: .223/5.56 leaving softball size exit wounds. Which they do not. Ever. Never. Do. Who claimed that? Was this in another thread recently? Edited June 14, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Who claimed that? Was this in another thread recently? ox c moron in the meme thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: .223/5.56 leaving softball size exit wounds. Which they do not. Ever. Never. Do. Izzat what he thinks????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Snake said: Izzat what he thinks????? Yes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Yes.... I' on my phone, but there is a YouTube vid... 556 vs ballistic gel. Apparently he ain' seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Bullet enters, does a 180, almost snaps in half and doesn' even make it out. He's high, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 But I only taught US Weapons/AMR/BRM FOR 12 years, so I will yield to his expertise. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 Just now, Snake said: Bullet enters, does a 180, almost snaps in half and doesn' even make it out. He's high, right? He seemsd to think 5.56 mushrooms and just plows through. It’s embarrassing. Then he conceded that it tumbles and fragments yet still somehow leaves an orange size exit wound??? It’s confusing to follow his logic. He doesn’t understand the difference between ballistic gel and human flesh either. Somehow yaw is his Big trump card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: .223/5.56 leaving softball size exit wounds. Which they do not. Ever. Never. Do. Softball size? Lol wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Snake said: But I only taught US Weapons/AMR/BRM FOR 12 years, so I will yield to his expertise. Don’t worry, I already explained that i taught ARM and BRM... He quoted a CID nerd as a rebuttal. It’s good fun. This is why we can’t have rational gun debate as a country. You have morons who think google is the answer to everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 5.56 is a baby round really. It’s not some high powered thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmeeAgain Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Don’t worry, I already explained that i taught ARM and BRM... He quoted a CID nerd as a rebuttal. It’s good fun. This is why we can’t have rational gun debate as a country. You have morons who think google is the answer to everything. The CID nerd is a fucking dunce!! From the article.. Quote 1. The 5.56 round exits the rifle at just more than 1,000 meters per second, about three times the speed of sound. When the 5.56 bullet hits a human body, it immediately begins to decelerate. This bullet's length to width ratio is high. The nose of the bullet begins to decelerate but the rear is still traveling supersonic. The rear is going faster than the nose. This causes the rear to overtake the nose, meaning that the bullet begins to tumble end over end. This tumbling in turn causes the bullet to fragment not quite completely and the fragments travel through flesh, bounce off bone into new directions and sever nervous system connections. This tumbling is greatly enhanced if the bullet is yawing at impact, as every bullet fired during a school shooting is. That is part one of what causes instant incapacitation. The smaller, lighter bullet has enough rotation to keep it stable in air, but not in flesh. Once it hits the body, it loses the rotational stabilization and begins to wobble. It tumbles because of the denser material it enters. The ass end is not going faster than the front, the bullet is not perfectly parallel to the direction it's going so it tumbles. It's about the vector of the moving mass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted June 14, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 14, 2018 Looking at some images of 5.56 exit wounds, 99% do not show what X.c describes, but for the media to get their point across it seems when the round does hit small/thin tissue like an arm, as the round fragments/tumbles and exits, it leaves a pretty nasty hole, id say baseball size..But torso/thigh/head, nothing like that is happening.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, SmeeAgain said: The CID nerd is a fucking dunce!! From the article.. The smaller, lighter bullet has enough rotation to keep it stable in air, but not in flesh. Once it hits the body, it loses the rotational stabilization and begins to wobble. It tumbles because of the denser material it enters. The ass end is not going faster than the front, the bullet is not perfectly parallel to the direction it's going so it tumbles. It's about the vector of the moving mass. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Martin Fackler says that a 7cm permanent cavity is typical. http://ciar.org/ttk/mbt/papers/misc/paper.x.small-arms.wounding-ballistics.patterns_of_military_rifle_bullets.fackler.unk.html Who is Martin Fackler: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fackler Additional ballistics research highlighting the inconsistencies between rounds and emphasis on location of impact on wound severity. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a519801.pdf ER radiologist, Heather Sher: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/ Dr. Nicholas Namias: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201949054.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Rigid1 said: Looking at some images of 5.56 exit wounds, 99% do not show what X.c describes, but for the media to get their point across it seems when the round does hit small/thin tissue like an arm, as the round fragments/tumbles and exits, it leaves a pretty nasty hole, id say baseball size..But torso/thigh/head, nothing like that is happening.. That is not from a 5.56. That round traveled through his armpit on the other side, chest cavity, and through the humorous, which exploded on impact. Notice also how the wound is nearly perfectly round. A smaller bullet exit wound tears. That was most likely 7.62 or larger. That is the risk of google, I could throw up a photo and label it AR-15 wound and people would believe it. Will a 5.56 tear apart a head? Yup. But the exit wound is all skull exiting the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 what brought this debate up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, SmeeAgain said: The CID nerd is a fucking dunce!! From the article.. The smaller, lighter bullet has enough rotation to keep it stable in air, but not in flesh. Once it hits the body, it loses the rotational stabilization and begins to wobble. It tumbles because of the denser material it enters. The ass end is not going faster than the front, the bullet is not perfectly parallel to the direction it's going so it tumbles. It's about the vector of the moving mass. It’s like the ass end of a rear engine 911 causing them proneness to oversteer. Nothing wrong with what he said. I’m a mechanical engineer by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said: Martin Fackler says that a 7cm permanent cavity is typical. http://ciar.org/ttk/mbt/papers/misc/paper.x.small-arms.wounding-ballistics.patterns_of_military_rifle_bullets.fackler.unk.html Who is Martin Fackler: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fackler Additional ballistics research highlighting the inconsistencies between rounds and emphasis on location of impact on wound severity. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a519801.pdf ER radiologist, Heather Sher: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/ Dr. Nicholas Namias: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201949054.html From your own fucking study... Look at the exit wound. And news flash... ALL BULLETS DO THIS! But, the exit wound is small. Know what the fuck you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: what brought this debate up? I dont remember. X.C being wrong about ballistics. 1 minute ago, XC.Morrison said: It’s like the ass end of a rear engine 911 causing them proneness to oversteer. Nothing wrong with what he said. I’m a mechanical engineer by the way. Well duh. The heavy part of the bullet is in the rear. It’s not moving faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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