spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) The American Medical Association lobbied Congress and successfully shut down attempts to implement CDC guidelines to limit opioid prescribing. The drugging of America continues. Yippee!! Edited May 27, 2018 by spin_dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 27, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 27, 2018 Ahhh yes....our wonderful corrupt payoff driven system at work....awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 hours ago, spin_dry said: The American Medical Association lobbied Congress and successfully shut down attempts to implement CDC guidelines to limit opioid prescribing. The drugging of America continues. Yippee!! 9 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Ahhh yes....our wonderful corrupt payoff driven system at work....awesome. Somehow I suspect there is even more to this story than this informative in depth discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, DriftBusta said: Somehow I suspect there is even more to this story than this informative in depth discussion. CDC guidelines had recommended that doctors and ANP’s can only prescribe 3 days of opiate or opioid painkillers per refill. These practice guidelines are inline with research surrounding the habit forming nature of these drugs. It’s really too bad what’s happened to medicine in this country. Edited May 27, 2018 by spin_dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Ahhh yes....our wonderful corrupt payoff driven system at work....awesome. Actually doctors can’t receive kick backs from big pharmaco. What they can receive is “reimbursement” from drug companies for “research”. However, Obamacare included the sunshine law. That means you can find what money your or any doctor receives from a drug company. It’s public information. There’s sting penalties if drug companies or doctors fail to report income or reimbursement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Actually doctors can’t receive kick backs from big pharmaco. What they can receive is “reimbursement” from drug companies for “research”. However, Obamacare included the sunshine law. That means you can find what money your or any doctor receives from a drug company. It’s public information. There’s sting penalties if drug companies or doctors fail to report income or reimbursement. Doctors can benefit from prescribing drugs in other ways. Edited May 27, 2018 by AKIQPilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Doctors can benefit from prescribing drugs in other ways. Not kickbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Not kickbacks. Did I say kickbacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 27, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: CDC guidelines had recommended that doctors and ANP’s can only prescribe 3 days of opiate or opioid painkillers per refill. These practice guidelines are inline with research surrounding the habit forming nature of these drugs. It’s really too bad what’s happened to medicine in this country. Would these guidelines apply across the board or would there be exceptions for doctors treating chronic pain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Did I say kickbacks? The discussion was referring to pharmaceutical companies paying doctors to prescribe. I guess I have no idea where you were going with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Crappie Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: Actually doctors can’t receive kick backs from big pharmaco. What they can receive is “reimbursement” from drug companies for “research”. However, Obamacare included the sunshine law. That means you can find what money your or any doctor receives from a drug company. It’s public information. There’s sting penalties if drug companies or doctors fail to report income or reimbursement. It sounds like the "research" can be reporting results of the med back to the company by the doctor that prescribed it. Just another way of "kicking back" money to the doctor from the pharma company. I learned about this 1st hand when I asked my primary about a med my lung doctor prescribed when I had my PE blood clots last year. I've got great insurance and the med was $135.00 out of pocket when another med that did the same thing would have been $12.00 out of pocket. Needless to say I don't trust doctors to have my best interest in mind. I'm very weary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Big Crappie said: It sounds like the "research" can be reporting results of the med back to the company by the doctor that prescribed it. Just another way of "kicking back" money to the doctor from the pharma company. I learned about this 1st hand when I asked my primary about a med my lung doctor prescribed when I had my PE blood clots last year. I've got great insurance and the med was $135.00 out of pocket when another med that did the same thing would have been $12.00 out of pocket. Needless to say I don't trust doctors to have my best interest in mind. I'm very weary. If you want to check out your doc here’s a link. https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted May 27, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted May 27, 2018 What would force doctors to follow guidelines? If they are going to line thier pockets a guideline won't stop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Would these guidelines apply across the board or would there be exceptions for doctors treating chronic pain? They would most absolutely apply to pain clinics. That is the main target. Opiates or opioids are not effective in the treatment of chronic pain because of hyperalgesia. The drugs not only stop working, they over sensitize pain receptors in the brain. Meaning that they make pain worse. Pain clinics is the perfect cottage industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said: What would force doctors to follow guidelines? If they are going to line thier pockets a guideline won't stop them. Doctors would face possible loss of their license and pharmacies couldn’t fill the script. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 27, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, spin_dry said: They would most absolutely apply to pain clinics. That is the main target. Opiates or opioids are not effective in the treatment of chronic pain because of hyperalgesia. The drugs not only stop working, they over sensitize pain receptors in the brain. Meaning that they make pain worse. Pain clinics is the perfect cottage industry. I kind of figured that but wasn't sure...my interest is personal as my wife goes to a pain mangement doctor for RSD/CRPS and we were just discussing this. She is prescribed Norco (among other things) but only takes them when she is having a bad flare. Edited May 27, 2018 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, spin_dry said: The discussion was referring to pharmaceutical companies paying doctors to prescribe. I guess I have no idea where you were going with this You have reading comprehension issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted May 27, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Big Crappie said: It sounds like the "research" can be reporting results of the med back to the company by the doctor that prescribed it. Just another way of "kicking back" money to the doctor from the pharma company. I learned about this 1st hand when I asked my primary about a med my lung doctor prescribed when I had my PE blood clots last year. I've got great insurance and the med was $135.00 out of pocket when another med that did the same thing would have been $12.00 out of pocket. Needless to say I don't trust doctors to have my best interest in mind. I'm very weary. That's because they don't have your best interest in mind, They have theirs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted May 27, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, spin_dry said: The discussion was referring to pharmaceutical companies paying doctors to prescribe. I guess I have no idea where you were going with this. Possibly trips to the carribean from drug distributers to doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: You have reading comprehension issues. I hear what’s important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, spin_dry said: I hear what’s important. I said comprehend. Big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Possibly trips to the carribean from drug distributers to doctors. You can fly to South America for ayahuasca too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, AKIQPilot said: I said comprehend. Big difference. See what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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