NaturallyAspirated Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 34 minutes ago, motonoggin said: What could I change about my behavior that would fight capitalism? You tell me, I am curious. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, motonoggin said: And do what? It's your fight. Tell us what you're willing to fight for and with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: You tell me, I am curious. Neal 3 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: It's your fight. Tell us what you're willing to fight for and with. No no no. I asked YOU. So far we have....what? A suggestion that I should stop using money. I mean, as great as you might think that is rhetorically, it's obviously not practical. Unless, of course, you suggest I be homeless and starving because I refused to use the funny paper for the stuff I need and want. What else? Should I give up all my earthly possessions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Stop using the internet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Stop using the internet? Perhaps. How about this, what system do you believe should replace capitalism? Special or specific cases that apply to the proposed system? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Perhaps. How about this, what system do you believe should replace capitalism? Special or specific cases that apply to the proposed system? Neal That's not an answer. You're deflecting by asking another question. I'm waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: That's not an answer. You're deflecting by asking another question. I'm waiting. Well to answer your question you should indeed stop using government money for private transactions. Any for profit private transactions should be banned from your activities. That would be how you could fight capitalism. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Well to answer your question you should indeed stop using government money for private transactions. Any for profit private transactions should be banned from your activities. That would be how you could fight capitalism. Neal Yes, that sounds totally reasonable. Lol Do you know how long it took capitalism to supplant feudalism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Yes, that sounds totally reasonable. Lol Do you know how long it took capitalism to supplant feudalism? So does getting rid of capitalism. Irrelevant. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: So does getting rid of capitalism. Irrelevant. Neal Capitalism is doomed and it will be gone soon. As soon as AI breaths is first breath capitalism is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Rosenberg Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Yes, that sounds totally reasonable. Lol Do you know how long it took capitalism to supplant feudalism? Oh , so now it takes a long long time , but fear not as you are working on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: So does getting rid of capitalism. Irrelevant. Neal Not at all, in fact, the end of capitalism is inevitable. The capitalists have already baked the end of capitalism into the cake. As they continue to seek to reduce labor costs, the numbers of poor and working poor will continue to swell. When this reaches critical mass, a bloodletting will ensure, and a new system will rise in its place. No, it's totally relevant. It took centuries for capitalism to become the dominant system. I'd expect anything that would replace capitalism to take a similar amount of time, maybe less, considering how close we are to capitalism's D-Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, f7ben said: Capitalism is doomed and it will be gone soon. As soon as AI breaths is first breath capitalism is done. Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: Capitalism is doomed and it will be gone soon. As soon as AI breaths is first breath capitalism is done. T-900 FTMFW! Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: T-900 FTMFW! Neal I think you're a big thinker and you understand the ramifications of 100% efficiency as far as human labor and economic activity are concerned. We will have to be creative as soon as nobody owns the IP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Not at all, in fact, the end of capitalism is inevitable. The capitalists have already baked the end of capitalism into the cake. As they continue to seek to reduce labor costs, the numbers of poor and working poor will continue to swell. When this reaches critical mass, a bloodletting will ensure, and a new system will rise in its place. No, it's totally relevant. It took centuries for capitalism to become the dominant system. I'd expect anything that would replace capitalism to take a similar amount of time, maybe less, considering how close we are to capitalism's D-Day. How close are we? Can you tell within a decade? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: How close are we? Can you tell within a decade? Neal we are close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: we are close And I tell my wife it's 9" too.... Can you pin it to within a decade? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: And I tell my wife it's 9" too.... Can you pin it to within a decade? Neal If I had to guess I'd say the 2020's will see AI born and the end of life as we know it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: How close are we? Can you tell within a decade? Neal Hard to say. Things are accelerating under Trump. AI might not be ready before the peasants grab their pitchforks. But Ben is dead on. Once they've figured out how to stop paying enough workers to maintain current levels of wage based demand in the economy, something will give. I see it going two ways, either we all enjoy the prosperity the machines have brought us, or we have a massive underclass who own nothing and a small aristocracy that owns everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I'd say you'll seen the beginning of social unrest within a decade, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Especially if Trump gets another term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Hard to say. Things are accelerating under Trump. AI might not be ready before the peasants grab their pitchforks. But Ben is dead on. Once they've figured out how to stop paying enough workers to maintain current levels of wage based demand in the economy, something will give. I see it going two ways, either we all enjoy the prosperity the machines have brought us, or we have a massive underclass who own nothing and a small aristocracy that owns everything. Or the machines dispatch with us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Tbh, Bernie, and to a lesser extent, Hillary, would have likely prolonged D-Day. Bernie, especially, represented a tempering of capitalism to better distribute the benefits of it. This talk lately of a universal basic income represents another attempt to temper capitalism, with a bit more dystopian undertones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: Or the machines dispatch with us Yeah that's definitely a possibility. Especially if we weaponize it. Hopefully everyone has watched Terminator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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