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What’s the correlation between the deficit and wages? Deficits facilitate spending, spending creates demand for labor.

 

Unfortunately, the deficits here to stay, and whomever tries to fix it will have to take away current handouts and will be made to look like the evil mean guy.

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1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

Capitalists steal all the time. 

Capitalism is just theft with rules. 

Socialists contribute little to nothing, communism imprisons or murders people that resist.  
 

how much of another person’s business venture are you entitled too?

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1 minute ago, akvanden said:

What’s the correlation between the deficit and wages? Deficits facilitate spending, spending creates demand for labor.

 

Unfortunately, the deficits here to stay, and whomever tries to fix it will have to take away current handouts and will be made to look like the evil mean guy.

The economy relies on debt based demand to support increasing prices and profits because wage based demand has stagnated.

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5 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

The economy relies on debt based demand to support increasing prices and profits because wage based demand has stagnated.

I think the wage stagnation has more to do with globalization and technology than anything else.

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2 minutes ago, akvanden said:

I think the wage stagnation has more to do with globalization and technology than anything else.

Im sure it does have something to do with it. 

Regardless of the reasons, debt instruments have been a huge source of artificial demand in the economy for a minute. 

That supports price and profit growth and maintains stagnated wages. 

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9 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

 

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I'll discuss wealth and inheritance with you...it not your fucking money, piss off. If I leave a legacy for my family,  it's already been taxed at the income level, the gains have been taxed at the capital gains rate... fuck off.

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1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

Im sure it does have something to do with it. 

Regardless of the reasons, debt instruments have been a huge source of artificial demand in the economy for a minute. 

That supports price and profit growth and maintains stagnated wages. 

Artificial demand, sure, but I’m still not understanding why it drives wage stagnation. Example?

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1 hour ago, motonoggin said:

Good idea.

You have to raise wages to do that.

Follow me for more solutions you won't like to problems you don't like. 

You have to raise wages to stop wreckers spending...where do you come up with this shit?

 

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1 minute ago, akvanden said:

Artificial demand, sure, but I’m still not understanding why it drives wage stagnation. Example?

There is no incentive for the supply side to prime their own pumps as long as debt instruments can do it for them. 

It also gives no incentive to governments to make policies that drive up wages in order to increase natural aggregate demand when the artificial is available. 

This a prime example of one of the major flaws built into the foundations of capitalism. 

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1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

There is no incentive for the supply side to prime their own pumps as long as debt instruments can do it for them. 

It also gives no incentive to governments to make policies that drive up wages in order to increase natural aggregate demand when the artificial is available. 

This a prime example of one of the major flaws built into the foundations of capitalism. 

The govt doesn't set wages, the market does...

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If one desires to maintain equilibrium between supply and demand and avoid a deflationary death spiral, one of two things must happen:

1) wages need to rise proportionally to the amount of debt spending reductions

B) Injections of debt based demand need to continue. 

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53 minutes ago, akvanden said:

whomever tries to fix it will have to take away current handouts and will be made to look like the evil mean guy.

whomever shows the initiative to actually try to fix it should get nominated and elected, I'm all for it.  sadly we have two major parties that have no interest in either solving these issues and couldn't work together long enough to make a piece of toast.  if there's one thing they can do unilaterally it's to distract the american public, shut out any alternative voices and maintain their power base.  

11 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

If one desires to maintain equilibrium between supply and demand and avoid a deflationary death spiral, one of two things must happen: 

1) wages need to rise proportionally to the amount of debt spending reductions

B) Injections of debt based demand need to continue. 

someone, at sometime is going to have to pay for our debt and spending by being taxed or having their benefits reduced or taken away.

so which generation will bear the financial burden for multiple generations improperly funding our credit card?  will it be yours, or mine, or our children's, grandchildren's or great grandchildren's?

we can only kick the can so far... 
 

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1 hour ago, motonoggin said:

There is no incentive for the supply side to prime their own pumps as long as debt instruments can do it for them. 

It also gives no incentive to governments to make policies that drive up wages in order to increase natural aggregate demand when the artificial is available. 

This a prime example of one of the major flaws built into the foundations of capitalism. 

If they’re flush with demand from debt spending, they should have more to go around. Can you imagine where costs would be cut in demand dried up? Cuts in labor, reductions in cost. Lower consumer demand does not increase wages.

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55 minutes ago, akvanden said:

If they’re flush with demand from debt spending, they should have more to go around. Can you imagine where costs would be cut in demand dried up? Cuts in labor, reductions in cost. Lower consumer demand does not increase wages.

They do, but they won't, because capitalism doesn't really work. 

 

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1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

whomever shows the initiative to actually try to fix it should get nominated and elected, I'm all for it.  sadly we have two major parties that have no interest in either solving these issues and couldn't work together long enough to make a piece of toast.  if there's one thing they can do unilaterally it's to distract the american public, shut out any alternative voices and maintain their power base.  

someone, at sometime is going to have to pay for our debt and spending by being taxed or having their benefits reduced or taken away.

so which generation will bear the financial burden for multiple generations improperly funding our credit card?  will it be yours, or mine, or our children's, grandchildren's or great grandchildren's?

we can only kick the can so far... 
 

Or we can just guillotine the rich...

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