motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: No , the American consumer who dosnt give a shit about American manufacturing as long as they are getting their shit cheap. And they want cheap shit because wages have been stagnant for 4 decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: And they want cheap shit because wages have been stagnant for 4 decades. Some have , some havnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: No , the American consumer who dosnt give a shit about American manufacturing as long as they are getting their shit cheap. Capitalists are their own gravediggers. 1 minute ago, Pete said: iow don’t do as I do do as I say.. I know your type. No, not in other words. I was pretty clear, no need for you to reinterpret anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: Some have , some havnt. No, the average workers wages have been stagnant for 4 decades. Do you understand what 'average' means in this context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Capitalists are their own gravediggers. No, not in other words. I was pretty clear, no need for you to reinterpret anything. Ok mr capitalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: No, the average workers wages have been stagnant for 4 decades. Do you understand what 'average' means in this context? Yes I do. I also understand that some jobs / trades pay quite a bit more now then they did 40 yrs ago.Cept for selling weed, used to be big bucks in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: Yes I do. I also understand that some jobs / trades pay quite a bit more now then they did 40 yrs ago.Cept for selling weed, used to be big bucks in that. Irrelevant point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 UAW $32 per hour now. What should it be mr capatlist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: Irrelevant point. Realy ? So what was the average plumber charging 40 yrs ago? 40 yrs ago a rate job for a laborer payed under $8 an hr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: Realy ? So what was the average plumber charging 40 yrs ago? 40 yrs ago a rate job for a laborer payed under $8 an hr. I'm talking about the average worker and you're over there "butwutabowtplummers??!!11" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: I'm talking about the average worker and you're over there "butwutabowtplummers??!!11" Well tell the class who the average worker is. Mcdonalds employee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 I never realized plumbers and carpenters were not average workers. This place is so educational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 You guys are economic illiterates. JFC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Y dont evry1 jest bee a plummer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: Y dont evry1 jest bee a plummer? Or a carpenter, or electrician. or stone mason , or truck driver. Nah , who wants to be average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: Or a carpenter, or electrician. or stone mason , or truck driver. Nah , who wants to be average. The perpetuation of capitalist economies and economics depend upon the average persons ignorance of how they actually operate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, motonoggin said: The perpetuation of capitalist economies and economics depend upon the average persons ignorance of how they actually operate So you earn the same as you did 40 yrs ago? BTW , how old are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Or a carpenter, or electrician. or stone mason , or truck driver. Nah , who wants to be average. Yes because if everyone did that, they'd all have work and they'd all get paid. Basic economics bro... Building trades are also an historically stable occupation. Edited October 30, 2019 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: So you earn the same as you did 40 yrs ago? BTW , how old are you? We aren't talking about me, or you, but thank you for conceding. Edited October 30, 2019 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Yes because if everyone did that, they'd all have work and they'd all get paid. Basic economics bro... Building trades are also an historically stable occupation. Yes we should all work at mcdonalds. Even there someone with a brain can be a manager in about 18 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: Yes we should all work at mcdonalds. Even there someone with a brain can be a manager in about 18 months. Well, we all know if American workers were just more productive, they'd get paid more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 30, 2019 Most of that comes from technology. Do you really believe workers are working twice as hard now then in 1970? Please say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, racer254 said: Oh, I am sure you have. Do you buy ivory from poached elephants as well? Like many, all you care about is yourself, but preach about others doing the same. I’m honest about my greed. Unlike you and several others here. I’ll wait until I’m almost dead and find Jesus. It’s a one way, irrevocable ticket to the promised land. You fucking hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: Most of that comes from technology. Do you really believe workers are working twice as hard now then in 1970? Please say no. Technology made by labor. Does it matter to the economics if they sweat more or put in more hours? No, it doesn't. This isn't a matter of merit, it just math, my dude. Workers are twice as productive with their labor, they should make twice as much if we are to run the economy with real money rather than debt. That's really the only thing that could be done to save capitalism from itself. Raise wages. I don't see it happening because I think Marx was right about capitalism cannabilizing itself. 40 years of wage stagnation and rising productivity says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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